PcBytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 10:29:

I'd replace the CPU caps at least, if RTC mod fails to POST. I've seen quite a lot of those 1990s caps fail without any bulge. (yes, I'm looking at ya, Jackcon and ABIT.)

Ill keep that in mind once I get the board, going to give it a thorough going over before even powering it up, might even remove a few VRM caps and check them for tolerances, I have a post card handy too.

I wonder what Pentium IIs it supports, Im thinking the early Klamath would be the best bet, say a 233 or 266. Gigabyte lists it as supporting 233 - 300 so early Klamath is correct.

-Just realised I may not actually own a Klamath ...most of the PIIs I have are 350+

I'd suppose some early Deschutes might work as well with the latest BIOS.

PcBytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 10:50:

I'd suppose some early Deschutes might work as well with the latest BIOS.

went through my PII graveyard box and found a SL2QC Klamath 300 which is perfect.

Never thought I would go digging through that box again, I should really do some testing and sell off the PII 400s in there.

The latest BIOS from Gigabyte is a beta BIOS, no notes about what they added or anything and The Retroweb is down for some reason .. been getting SQL server errors from the site for a few weeks now.

-Edit board will accept 333 and 366 so the first two Deschutes should work.

Question, can a 350 be run at 300 ? I know the muti is locked going up but is it locked going lower same for FSB ?

Just won the eBay auction for ATI Mach32, ISA edition. Want to play with its 8514/A compatibility. When I learned Pascal programming back then in school, there were 8514 BGI drivers. Now it's time to try them 😀

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 04:22:

demiurge wrote on 2024-01-28, 02:02:

Got a weird VGA card. SiS 6205 chipset. Posted with the rest of my video card collection at vgamuseum.info

https://vgamuseum.info/index.php/component/k2 … m/1172-sis-6205

Such a weird little card, I dont suppose its terribly useful without the supporting motherboard but would be curious to see how it stacks up against similar cards.

Still a very nice card to have on a unique display shelf or in a museum.

I did get the board and have it running. If I get around to doing some testing I will post it on vogons.

demiurge wrote on 2024-01-28, 13:41:

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 04:22:

demiurge wrote on 2024-01-28, 02:02:

Got a weird VGA card. SiS 6205 chipset. Posted with the rest of my video card collection at vgamuseum.info

https://vgamuseum.info/index.php/component/k2 … m/1172-sis-6205

Such a weird little card, I dont suppose its terribly useful without the supporting motherboard but would be curious to see how it stacks up against similar cards.

Still a very nice card to have on a unique display shelf or in a museum.

I did get the board and have it running. If I get around to doing some testing I will post it on vogons.

That would be great, Im curious just how gimped it'll be with having to use memory over the bus, since it has none of its own.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 10:54:

went through my PII graveyard box and found a SL2QC Klamath 300 which is perfect. […]
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PcBytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 10:50:

I'd suppose some early Deschutes might work as well with the latest BIOS.

went through my PII graveyard box and found a SL2QC Klamath 300 which is perfect.

Never thought I would go digging through that box again, I should really do some testing and sell off the PII 400s in there.

The latest BIOS from Gigabyte is a beta BIOS, no notes about what they added or anything and The Retroweb is down for some reason .. been getting SQL server errors from the site for a few weeks now.

-Edit board will accept 333 and 366 so the first two Deschutes should work.

Question, can a 350 be run at 300 ? I know the muti is locked going up but is it locked going lower same for FSB ?

A 350 would be a 3.5x100 CPU when this is a 66Mhz board, so if it ran, you'd be getting 233 out of it at most, unless the clock does 75+ also then a bit faster. But this board is probably best with Klamaths.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-01-28, 14:52:

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 10:54:

went through my PII graveyard box and found a SL2QC Klamath 300 which is perfect. […]
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PcBytes wrote on 2024-01-28, 10:50:

I'd suppose some early Deschutes might work as well with the latest BIOS.

went through my PII graveyard box and found a SL2QC Klamath 300 which is perfect.

Never thought I would go digging through that box again, I should really do some testing and sell off the PII 400s in there.

The latest BIOS from Gigabyte is a beta BIOS, no notes about what they added or anything and The Retroweb is down for some reason .. been getting SQL server errors from the site for a few weeks now.

-Edit board will accept 333 and 366 so the first two Deschutes should work.

Question, can a 350 be run at 300 ? I know the muti is locked going up but is it locked going lower same for FSB ?

A 350 would be a 3.5x100 CPU when this is a 66Mhz board, so if it ran, you'd be getting 233 out of it at most, unless the clock does 75+ also then a bit faster. But this board is probably best with Klamaths.

Hmm fair enough, was hoping a PII 350 could be down clocked to 333, but you are right its a rather special board so a Kalmath is fitting and perhaps a Diamond Viper 330 "Riva 128 ZX" or Diamond Viper 550 "TnT PCI" would also be a good fit.

Honestly excited to get my hands on this board, its such an oddity.

rkurbatov wrote on 2024-01-28, 11:08:

Just won the eBay auction for ATI Mach32, ISA edition. Want to play with its 8514/A compatibility. When I learned Pascal programming back then in school, there were 8514 BGI drivers. Now it's time to try them 😀

I have a Mach32 PCI variant. It's 8514/A compatibility is excellent in Windows 2.x, Windows 3.0, and OS/2 1.x/2.0. I prefer the native ATI Mach32 drivers in later OSs (it's almost like an extension of the 8514/A feature set), but the ability to use alternate modes is quite nice.

fosterwj03 wrote on 2024-01-28, 16:04:

I have a Mach32 PCI variant. It's 8514/A compatibility is excellent in Windows 2.x, Windows 3.0, and OS/2 1.x/2.0. I prefer the native ATI Mach32 drivers in later OSs (it's almost like an extension of the 8514/A feature set), but the ability to use alternate modes is quite nice.

I thought about VLB or PCI variant, but technically every PCI adapter with some acceleration functions is a development of these ideas. So I want to try something generic. I definitely cannot afford original one, so Mach32 can be a good replacement to try on something like 80386. There were real Voodoos in PCI era while 8514 is a way to accelerate 3D on very early PCs.

rkurbatov wrote on 2024-01-28, 11:08:

Just won the eBay auction for ATI Mach32, ISA edition. Want to play with its 8514/A compatibility. When I learned Pascal programming back then in school, there were 8514 BGI drivers. Now it's time to try them 😀

Anything special about these cards? I found an ISA version of this in my childhood 386 PC along with an SB16 value and some other junk.

smtkr wrote on 2024-01-28, 22:49:

rkurbatov wrote on 2024-01-28, 11:08:

Just won the eBay auction for ATI Mach32, ISA edition. Want to play with its 8514/A compatibility. When I learned Pascal programming back then in school, there were 8514 BGI drivers. Now it's time to try them 😀

Anything special about these cards? I found an ISA version of this in my childhood 386 PC along with an SB16 value and some other junk.

Nothing special in terms of gaming (I suppose they are not the fastest ones), just the support of basic acceleration like lines, polygons, bitblts and so on. That was present on any PCI card or even VLBs providing good GUI offload on W31/W95 but it all started with IBM 8514/A and then was cloned on ATI Mach 8/Mach 32 (not 64) and several other cards.

Just interesting from the programmers perspective. If not direct hardware programming - at least Borland C/Pascal BGI API.

Shagittarius wrote on 2024-01-25, 22:28:

dormcat wrote on 2024-01-25, 17:21:

If TRW is correct then this motherboard is THE only one with LGA775 + 865G + AGP 8x + ISA combined. Theoretically it could span from DOS to late XP games.

Except you would be stuck with a late AGP video board. I don't think it would be good enough for a lot of XP games.

If you stuck to using official drivers you'd have to go ATI 9800Pro or Geforce 59xx. Otherwise you'd have to cheat for Win98.

Well that's the eternal dilemma between compatibility and performance: the more OS and programs on one system, the more compromises you have to make. Sure, AGP cards struggle with late XP games, OTOH only the earliest batch of PCIe cards can run under Win9x without tweaks or issues.

these are the brand new cf to ide adapters i bought on amazon to replace the first one i bought on amazon that already stopped working.
i didn't test them. i just returned them.
0 stars.

judging by the soldering quality they were chinesium ?

I always check the pictures and reviews before buying anything on Amazon, its not fool proof but it stops me being sent garbage like this.

Also, I know people dont like to throw money at these things but the better quality Startech ones have never failed me yet, sure they are more expensive but you do get what you pay for with these adapters. These types of parts are about the only thing I refuse to cheap out on after being burnt too many times before.

wirerogue wrote on 2024-01-29, 02:45:

these are the brand new cf to ide adapters i bought on amazon to replace the first one i bought on amazon that already stopped w […]
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these are the brand new cf to ide adapters i bought on amazon to replace the first one i bought on amazon that already stopped working.
i didn't test them. i just returned them.
0 stars.
bad.bezos.jpg

I think the solder blobs weren't part of the original design 🤣

About the one you already have that stopped working: It could be a cold solder joint. I'd reflow the IDE pins.

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dormcat wrote on 2024-01-29, 00:46:

Shagittarius wrote on 2024-01-25, 22:28:

dormcat wrote on 2024-01-25, 17:21:

If TRW is correct then this motherboard is THE only one with LGA775 + 865G + AGP 8x + ISA combined. Theoretically it could span from DOS to late XP games.

Except you would be stuck with a late AGP video board. I don't think it would be good enough for a lot of XP games.

If you stuck to using official drivers you'd have to go ATI 9800Pro or Geforce 59xx. Otherwise you'd have to cheat for Win98.

Well that's the eternal dilemma between compatibility and performance: the more OS and programs on one system, the more compromises you have to make. Sure, AGP cards struggle with late XP games, OTOH only the earliest batch of PCIe cards can run under Win9x without tweaks or issues.

This is why I dont usually try for both 98 and XP on the same rig unless I'm shooting for an early XP setup and know I wont be playing late XP games on it.

For late XP AGP you do have a few options, like the 7900GS, 3850 and 4670. I own both the 7900GS and 4670 and find they handle games just fine so long as you are not expecting 1600x1200 or 1080p ultra details, but more modest details and resolution is just fine with these cards for late XP gaming.

The 4670 is a great card but is a bit pricey to acquire.

tauro wrote on 2024-01-29, 03:13:

I think the solder blobs weren't part of the original design :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: cf2ide.jpg cf2ide.zoom.jpg […]
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wirerogue wrote on 2024-01-29, 02:45:

these are the brand new cf to ide adapters i bought on amazon to replace the first one i bought on amazon that already stopped w […]
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these are the brand new cf to ide adapters i bought on amazon to replace the first one i bought on amazon that already stopped working.
i didn't test them. i just returned them.
0 stars.
bad.bezos.jpg

I think the solder blobs weren't part of the original design 🤣
cf2ide.jpg
cf2ide.zoom.jpg

About the one you already have that stopped working: It could be a cold solder joint. I'd reflow the IDE pins.

I have done this before with these cheap adapters and it works for a bit but more often than not its other parts that fail.

Also what is up with Vogons and these stupid errors when posting ?

wirerogue wrote on 2024-01-29, 02:45:

these are the brand new cf to ide adapters i bought on amazon to replace the first one i bought on amazon that already stopped w […]
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these are the brand new cf to ide adapters i bought on amazon to replace the first one i bought on amazon that already stopped working.
i didn't test them. i just returned them.
0 stars.
bad.bezos.jpg

I've bought a few of those IDE-to-CF adapters. Mine look similar albeit without the solder blobs on the back. The ones I bought do work and I've been using them for awhile now without issue.