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Picked this up today:

Compaq DL580
Quad PIII Xeon @ 700MHz
Memory looks like 4x 128MB
4x 64bit PCI slots

That's a beast! 😀

Is ist loud, or extremely loud? 🤣

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So I, uhhhh, "liberated" this from the local recycling center today! In fact, there were three AT systems in reach, but I couldn't grab more than one, sadly. No regrets though!

Saw the Pentium Inside sticker, and was expecting another Socket 7 system, though the lack of a sound card was odd.

It's a Socket 4 Pentium 60, LX chipset, 256KB cache, 24 MB RAM, Cirrus CL-GD 5430 1MB, 1.6GB HDD, 32x CD-ROM (HDD and CD-ROM were almost certainly added/replaced later).

It runs! Well, I really wanted a fast 486, but since this delivers about the same performance, here we are!

Does anyone know which board this is?

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So I, uhhhh, "liberated" this from the local recycling center today! In fact, there were three AT systems in reach, but I couldn't grab more than one, sadly. No regrets though!

Saw the Pentium Inside sticker, and was expecting another Socket 7 system, though the lack of a sound card was odd.

It's a Socket 4 Pentium 60, LX chipset, 256KB cache, 24 MB RAM, Cirrus CL-GD 5430 1MB, 1.6GB HDD, 32x CD-ROM (HDD and CD-ROM were almost certainly added/replaced later).

It runs! Well, I really wanted a fast 486, but since this delivers about the same performance, here we are!

Does anyone know which board this is?

Looks a lot like this one I got a while back Identify this Socket 5 board (Intel?)

I think it is the 'Batman'

I think you're right. Could be "Batmans Revenge" also, probably - am I right in assuming the only difference is the jumper for 60/66MHz? Can't get to that part right now.

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Also, I believe the extra cache makes the impact of using more than the cacheable memory of the chipset smaller.

There is no difference in cache size, the K6-3 and K6-3+ are more or less identical except for the former beeing made using 0.25 micron manufacturing process and the latter 0.18 micron.

Oops, you're right. I mixed up K6-2 vs. K6-III and + vs. non +.

Basically speaking. With a good cooler on the K6-III. You will not feel any differences except higher power bill?

Nice to see such a decently specced P60 system still kicking around. Something like that is more interesting to me than a fast 486 in many ways - it marked the start of the Pentium era, and it's much rarer.

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Another nostalgia purchase from my teen years that arrived in the mail yesterday. […]
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Another nostalgia purchase from my teen years that arrived in the mail yesterday.

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Specs as received:
-Cyrix MediaGX 180MHz
-24MB RAM
-1.6GB Hard Drive
-16x CD-ROM
-Floppy Drive
-33.6k Modem
-Built-In Speakers
-MS-DOS 6.22 (But nothing else)

It's a machine I like to hate, but still have a soft spot for. I remember my old Presario 2200 being one of the most unreliable computers I had ever used back in the day. Very crashy, and woefully underpowered (I recall once hearing the early MediaGX being likened to a "slightly-overclocked 486"). But, I still feel some nostalgia for this little satan-spawn system because I quite enjoy the small form factor, and the built-in speakers have some of the best sound quality I've ever heard from factory-shipped PC speakers, even to this day (Not counting separately-purchased third-party speaker systems of course).

I plan on restoring it to match the factory-original state of the old Presario 2200 I used to have, which means downgrading the memory to 16MB, replacing the CD-ROM with an 8x model (I predict difficulty in finding one with a black bezel), and installing Win95 OSR2.

Off-hand, does anyone happen to know what model(s) of hard drive the 2200 could have shipped with from the factory? I ask because Wikipedia and a few other pages state that it came with a Quantum Bigfoot, yet I can swear up and down that the old 2200 I used to have did NOT come with a Bigfoot (Although it was still a 1.6GB drive). I'm also fairly confident my newly-acquired 2200 never had a Bigfoot because the 5.25 mounting holes in the hard drive bay are in pristine unscuffed condition. It currently has a WD, and the fact that it is the correct 1.6GB suggests it could be the factory original, but it lacks the Compaq stickers found on all the other internal components. Admittedly, this system was so bargain-basement in its day that it wouldn't surprise me if Compaq just used whatever was cheapest at the time of manufacture.

Brilliant! I have a Presario 2232, think mine runs media GX166mhz. When i got it it did have a Bigfoot, was dead tho so has a 3.5inch drive now. Agree on the speakers, they are awesome. I like mine a lot, fun little system and looks really nice too 😀
Have fun 😀

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Nice to see such a decently specced P60 system still kicking around. Something like that is more interesting to me than a fast 486 in many ways - it marked the start of the Pentium era, and it's much rarer.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, too... on the downside, compared to a 486, you can't tweak it much. It's pretty much as-is, no upgrade available 😀

Haven't done much with it, but one thing I noticed: compared to a middle-of-the-road Socket 7 system, it's much, much, much slower. Really feels more like a 486.

EDIT: Haha, just noticed this:

Was wondering why it had only one serial port in the back. This is 1993s version of front-mounted USB.

I would have said that such a layout concerning ISA cards at the top was a poor design considereing you couldn't get any cards in there that were longer than the slot themselves if you had a couple of hdd's. 😠

Mind you, that isn't a 1993 problem at all, I think we can all accept that the long graphics cards of today have just the same problems with taking up physical hdd space now! Why can I fit only 3x hdd's into slots that are supposed to fit 5? Because of stupid ass long cards, which actually I love... Next time I shouldn't skimp on the case. 😊 😊

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Hey cool, I have the ATX version of the same case. Used to house a Pentium 2 until recently.

You just know you have a good case for a DOS machine when the reset button is nearly twice as big as the power switch... 😀

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I would have said that such a layout concerning ISA cards at the top was a poor design considereing you couldn't get any cards in there that were longer than the slot themselves if you had a couple of hdd's. 😠

Well, there's an ISA slot at the bottom which can fit full length cards. IMO that's enough for 93/94. It certainly can fit an AWE32, I checked (and I think I will leave it there...).

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Hey cool, I have the ATX version of the same case. Used to house a Pentium 2 until recently.

You just know you have a good case for a DOS machine when the reset button is nearly twice as big as the power switch... 😀

Yep, good old Vobis Highscreen cases! Having a bit of trouble dating it, the hardware says 93, but 93 was the year of the Colani cases for them, so I'm thinking around 94 should be right.

Also, 🤣@the reset button thing! So true.

I think the slot layout was done with good intentions;

At the time, a Pentium would have cost anywhere between $2500 and $9000 - not adjusted for inflation, so what would that be in today's money? A heart attack most likely - so given the cost there are only two reasons you would buy a Pentium at that time...

1. You're rich and an idiot, it's 1993/4 and you have to have the best computer. The more expensive system must be better!
2. You are a professional, you need the power and that need outweighs the cost / the cost is no object as your company can afford it and will likely make it back from the output of the system.

Thus, in the latter scenario, we may imagine that the user may need specialist hardware... He may be video editing or something (Used as an example because this is my thing) - so he needs a high-end video card or specialist editing cards. Have you seen the early PCI implementations? Look at the V7 ShowTime Plus with its capture hardware, MPEG decoder and so on... a Pro editing rig would probably have several specialist cards with similar (likely larger and more powerful) hardware onboard as this one, thus they would be similar lengths. Some editing cards and particularly broadcast systems practically had their own entire computer system on the card required for things the main CPU couldn't do yet.

You wouldn't use ISA, because that would be pointless. You bought a 486 if that BUS was adequate. Your Pentium editing rig would maybe use one long audio card, but any other slots would be for LAN (10Mbit ISA), RS-232 or modems. You know, small cards of little importance.

Another possibility is a server where again, you'd use PCI SCSI and not ISA in such an expensive system. High end cards with Cache and CPUs were sometimes very long, some even had multiple SCSI systems one a single card - a few years back I worked on one that had FOUR SCSI controllers on a single card, all together there was more CPU power and RAM than the motherboard it plugged into. Even late high-end SCSI/VHDCI boards were often large.

At least, this is my theory. It is also possible that as everything else on the Batman motherboard is awful the designers just messed up the layout too... I noted the HSF gets in the way on mine.

I was thinking where i had seen those cases. You're right vobis highscreen. Very lovely cases. Was this at the same time when vobis tried to sell os/2 with it's systems?

The Pentium 60 didn't ever make much sense. At that price point, you may as well have spent the extra cash on the 66 MHz version.

Bought a VLB 486 motherboard.

The good: Never used o/ even the coin battery is from 1995, only $3,00, got with an AMD dx2 80 and some memories, 256K TRUE cache, working great.

The Bad : Its a pcchips 😠 M912

Mut wrote:

Bought a VLB 486 motherboard.

The good: Never used o/ even the coin battery is from 1995, only $3,00, got with an AMD dx2 80 and some memories, 256K TRUE cache, working great.

The Bad : Its a pcchips 😠 M912

Hey if it has real cache that is a great motherboard! It supports EVERY 486 chip just about and has a bunch of great features 😀 one of the rare examples of a good PC CHIPS board. EDIT: Just saw it has real cache, nice!!!

only recently have I gotten a job, but I could not help myself on this bad boy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321809293726

paid a little more than what I wanted to, but considering it comes with a keyboard, AND it's an A21 revision with scsi, i feel pretty damn happy.

luckybob wrote:

only recently have I gotten a job, but I could not help myself on this bad boy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321809293726

paid a little more than what I wanted to, but considering it comes with a keyboard, AND it's an A21 revision with scsi, i feel pretty damn happy.

Beautiful! I hope the battery can be replaced in an easy way!

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Are there reports of it working with a zip drive? I know the 7722 doesn't work with a hard drive, which is why I am hacking it.

it DOES work with my ide 250mb zip drive. it does not work with any hard drive or CF card i have. it does work with the dvd drive it came with. I did try an LS-120, but that drive is notorious for not working with scsi even on ide. So, it is as the manual says, atapi ide devices only.

time will tell if I actually use it, but its nice to know I ahve the option to put dvd-ram drive on scsi!

Got an SMS that there is a package in my post box 😊

Love the suspense / surprise.

Mut wrote:

The Bad : Its a pcchips 😠 M912

At least you didn't get a version of that mobo with fake cache. As ODwilly said, that's one of the few examples of a decent PC Chips board.