Just received two nice cards!
PAS8bit and another GUS clone in my collection. Reveal WavExtreme32.

A local second-hand store had an interesting motherboard laying around, that had four PCI slots (no ISA) and both a Slot 1 and a regular CPU socket. Seemed to be sized for an OEM system...

Any idea what that could have been?

Unfortunately it was broken according to the store owner...was brought back by someone who bought it and couldn't get it to work.

Edit: A quick search with Google Images shows it could have been a Jetway board...but that one has an ISA slot.

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A local second-hand store had an interesting motherboard laying around, that had four PCI slots (no ISA) and both a Slot 1 and a regular CPU socket. Seemed to be sized for an OEM system...

Any idea what that could have been?

Unfortunately it was broken according to the store owner...was brought back by someone who bought it and couldn't get it to work.

Edit: A quick search with Google Images shows it could have been a Jetway board...but that one has an ISA slot.

Probably one of those weird slot 1 and socket 370 dealios. I've got one of these in AT form factor made by PC Chips with the Intel 810 chipset (model is M766LMRT.). Paired with a Slot 1 P2 400 it's pretty neat for smaller games.

Eck, a slot1/370 upgrade board. PC Chips and matsonic did make such boards. I recall jetway doing so too.
I guise there ok, but can be quirky.

Anyway I picked up a Quantum Fireball Plus AS the other day, should do good with a ATA133 card in my slot1 system.
The Plus AS was the best of the fireballs if I recall. I thing they were ata6 7200rpm and had like 1 or 2mb of cache.

Jade Falcon wrote:

Eck, a slot1/370 upgrade board. PC Chips and matsonic did make such boards. I recall jetway doing so too.
I guise there ok, but can be quirky.

Anyway I picked up a Quantum Fireball Plus AS the other day, should do good with a ATA133 card in my slot1 system.

Tyan also made at least one. I have a copy of the S1854. Goos, stable board and for some reason goes for a lot on eBay.

Batyra wrote:

Just received two nice cards!
PAS8bit and another GUS clone in my collection. Reveal WavExtreme32.

so nice!
I was also monitoring the amibay thread, it's good your package arrived - this means others will get theirs too 😎

Are original GUS cards and clones rarer than 3dfx cards these days?

Arctic wrote:

Are original GUS cards and clones rarer than 3dfx cards these days?

Id say yes, but I know where to look for 3dfx cards and do not know were to look for GUS cards.

keropi wrote:

Batyra wrote:

Just received two nice cards!
PAS8bit and another GUS clone in my collection. Reveal WavExtreme32.

so nice!
I was also monitoring the amibay thread, it's good your package arrived - this means others will get theirs too 😎

Oh I was so happy I was the first both for PAS and GUS...

Arctic wrote:

Are original GUS cards and clones rarer than 3dfx cards these days?

I also think that they are rarer... simply look at eBay or AmiBay etc. how many GUS and 3dfx are offered. But I think that 3dfx in retro machine from some time period is obligatory and GUS... not. I love this cards, I can say it's an addiction. But I know many "better" cards in therms of sound quality (Yamaha cards and daughterboards in example). Sometimes it's more difficult with clones. And to find a boxed GUS clone thats quite an achievement nowdays.

I've never found any GUS card while I've bought 17 3Dfx cards (10 of them were bought last sunday as I showed it here ^^) but I'd like to have at least one GUS card now 🙁

Deksor wrote:

I've never found any GUS card while I've bought 17 3Dfx cards (10 of them were bought last sunday as I showed it here ^^) but I'd like to have at least one GUS card now 🙁

Luckyly they are not that rare... with some dose of patiency you will get one quite soon - I'm certain.

Well, since I've found 10 Voodoo 3 3000 with a bunch of 3Com cards and an NV1 based card, I guess that I could find anything now X)

Otherwise, I've acquired enough stuff that is valuable enough (without even counting the voodoo 3s) to start exchanging hardware and software with other people. I don't like buying retro hardware and then selling them at a higher price than what I paid to get it. I prefer exchanging it with other people, that way I don't participate at all to the rise of the prices

dexvx wrote:

Tested this BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB AGP. Needed 2x Molex connectors. Had to fiddle with it, as BIOS had trouble booting. It did NOT like my SATA power -> Molex adapter I use for every other video card.

<snip>

I owned one of these for a while, they are indeed picky on their power. The one I had sometimes wouldn't even power on if I used two molex connectors on the same power cord off the power supply. I'd have to use 1 molex from 1 cord and another molex from another cord. And mine wouldn't power on with sata -> molex either.

kithylin wrote:

dexvx wrote:

Tested this BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB AGP. Needed 2x Molex connectors. Had to fiddle with it, as BIOS had trouble booting. It did NOT like my SATA power -> Molex adapter I use for every other video card.

<snip>

I owned one of these for a while, they are indeed picky on their power. The one I had sometimes wouldn't even power on if I used two molex connectors on the same power cord off the power supply. I'd have to use 1 molex from 1 cord and another molex from another cord. And mine wouldn't power on with sata -> molex either.

That is the way it is suppose to work. It has to take in consideration the voltage drop because of wire resistance in the cables when fully loaded.
Ohms Law comes into effect here. That is why using PSU with 20 ga. wire is not a good idea either. This is why I use a dedicated seperate cable line from the power supply of 16 or 14 ga. wires with molex connectors for power hungry cards.

BananaBonez wrote:

I owned one of these for a while, they are indeed picky on their power. The one I had sometimes wouldn't even power on if I used two molex connectors on the same power cord off the power supply. I'd have to use 1 molex from 1 cord and another molex from another cord. And mine wouldn't power on with sata -> molex either.

That is the way it is suppose to work. It has to take in consideration the voltage drop because of wire resistance in the cables when fully loaded.
Ohms Law comes into effect here. That is why using PSU with 20 ga. wire is not a good idea either. This is why I use a dedicated seperate cable line from the power supply of 16 or 14 ga. wires with molex connectors for power hungry cards.[/quote]

6800 ultra's only pull about 150 - 175 watts. I would hardly call it "power hungry" even remotely. I've had a 3ghz northwood P4 system and a 6800 Ultra AGP in it and only see it pull like 240-260 watts total for the entire system in 3dmark (AC Side at the outlet) with some old dell power supply that pre-dated any of the "80 plus" standards.

Compare that to my overclocked R9-290X that can get up to 375-400 watts in some situations.

BananaBonez wrote:

kithylin wrote:

dexvx wrote:

Tested this BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB AGP. Needed 2x Molex connectors. Had to fiddle with it, as BIOS had trouble booting. It did NOT like my SATA power -> Molex adapter I use for every other video card.

<snip>

I owned one of these for a while, they are indeed picky on their power. The one I had sometimes wouldn't even power on if I used two molex connectors on the same power cord off the power supply. I'd have to use 1 molex from 1 cord and another molex from another cord. And mine wouldn't power on with sata -> molex either.

That is the way it is suppose to work. It has to take in consideration the voltage drop because of wire resistance in the cables when fully loaded.
Ohms Law comes into effect here. That is why using PSU with 20 ga. wire is not a good idea either. This is why I use a dedicated seperate cable line from the power supply of 16 or 14 ga. wires with molex connectors for power hungry cards.

I use a Corsair CX 430W (not the bronze label, the crappier green label). It only has 1x power cord with 3x molex + 1 berg. Because I use a PATA -> SD Card for the OS (that requires a molex or berg), it isn't convenient to use one power cord for it and also for the GPU (if required). Therefore, I usually use a molex that is converted from a SATA power to feed the GPU.

For whatever reason, the AGP 6800U will not accept the SATA -> Molex power adapter. It would result in the BIOS stalling on POST. So I just moved the SATA -> Molex to power my PATA -> SD Card and used 2x Molex off the 1 power cord for the 6800U. So far no issues, ran a slew bunch of 3DMark tests. Only real issue was 3DMark 2003 'Nature' where it would give some weird artifacting.

dexvx wrote:

BananaBonez wrote:

kithylin wrote:

I owned one of these for a while, they are indeed picky on their power. The one I had sometimes wouldn't even power on if I used two molex connectors on the same power cord off the power supply. I'd have to use 1 molex from 1 cord and another molex from another cord. And mine wouldn't power on with sata -> molex either.

That is the way it is suppose to work. It has to take in consideration the voltage drop because of wire resistance in the cables when fully loaded.
Ohms Law comes into effect here. That is why using PSU with 20 ga. wire is not a good idea either. This is why I use a dedicated seperate cable line from the power supply of 16 or 14 ga. wires with molex connectors for power hungry cards.

I use a Corsair CX 430W (not the bronze label, the crappier green label). It only has 1x power cord with 3x molex + 1 berg. Because I use a PATA -> SD Card for the OS (that requires a molex or berg), it isn't convenient to use one power cord for it and also for the GPU (if required). Therefore, I usually use a molex that is converted from a SATA power to feed the GPU.

For whatever reason, the AGP 6800U will not accept the SATA -> Molex power adapter. It would result in the BIOS stalling on POST. So I just moved the SATA -> Molex to power my PATA -> SD Card and used 2x Molex off the 1 power cord for the 6800U. So far no issues, ran a slew bunch of 3DMark tests. Only real issue was 3DMark 2003 'Nature' where it would give some weird artifacting.

It DOES NOT MATTER how many molex connectors you use, 1, 2, 4, or 10. If they are all connected to 1 yellow wire (12v) going back to the PSU circuit board that 1 single yellow wire has to carry the current load plus how many black (Ground) wires to distribute the load.
The artifacting is a sign that your power is marginal and not keeping up with the demand that the VGA card is requiring when it is pushed hard during that test.

kithylin wrote:

BananaBonez wrote:

I owned one of these for a while, they are indeed picky on their power. The one I had sometimes wouldn't even power on if I used two molex connectors on the same power cord off the power supply. I'd have to use 1 molex from 1 cord and another molex from another cord. And mine wouldn't power on with sata -> molex either.

That is the way it is suppose to work. It has to take in consideration the voltage drop because of wire resistance in the cables when fully loaded.
Ohms Law comes into effect here. That is why using PSU with 20 ga. wire is not a good idea either. This is why I use a dedicated seperate cable line from the power supply of 16 or 14 ga. wires with molex connectors for power hungry cards.

6800 ultra's only pull about 150 - 175 watts. I would hardly call it "power hungry" even remotely. I've had a 3ghz northwood P4 system and a 6800 Ultra AGP in it and only see it pull like 240-260 watts total for the entire system in 3dmark (AC Side at the outlet) with some old dell power supply that pre-dated any of the "80 plus" standards.

Compare that to my overclocked R9-290X that can get up to 375-400 watts in some situations.[/quote]
Consider this: using just 0.10 ohms resistance in cable that includes the yellow and black wires for just the +12v side and at least 10 amps pull gives you a 1 volt drop at the card connector. Ohms Law Voltage drop=Current times the Resistance. I would not take too many amps or too much wire resistance to cause power problems.

kithylin wrote:

dexvx wrote:

Tested this BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB AGP. Needed 2x Molex connectors. Had to fiddle with it, as BIOS had trouble booting. It did NOT like my SATA power -> Molex adapter I use for every other video card.

<snip>

I owned one of these for a while, they are indeed picky on their power. The one I had sometimes wouldn't even power on if I used two molex connectors on the same power cord off the power supply. I'd have to use 1 molex from 1 cord and another molex from another cord. And mine wouldn't power on with sata -> molex either.

kithylin if you look up the power requirements for that VGA card it states NOT to use two molex from one cable but use one molex from one cable AND one molex from another seperate cable. That way the voltage drop is kept to a minimum. Most PSU from those days had no more than 18ga. wiring going to the connectors. This caused a lot of problems for people that had "power hungry" VGA cards.

BananaBonez wrote:

dexvx wrote:

I use a Corsair CX 430W (not the bronze label, the crappier green label). It only has 1x power cord with 3x molex + 1 berg. Because I use a PATA -> SD Card for the OS (that requires a molex or berg), it isn't convenient to use one power cord for it and also for the GPU (if required). Therefore, I usually use a molex that is converted from a SATA power to feed the GPU.

For whatever reason, the AGP 6800U will not accept the SATA -> Molex power adapter. It would result in the BIOS stalling on POST. So I just moved the SATA -> Molex to power my PATA -> SD Card and used 2x Molex off the 1 power cord for the 6800U. So far no issues, ran a slew bunch of 3DMark tests. Only real issue was 3DMark 2003 'Nature' where it would give some weird artifacting.

It DOES NOT MATTER how many molex connectors you use, 1, 2, 4, or 10. If they are all connected to 1 yellow wire (12v) going back to the PSU circuit board that 1 single yellow wire has to carry the current load plus how many black (Ground) wires to distribute the load.
The artifacting is a sign that your power is marginal and not keeping up with the demand that the VGA card is requiring when it is pushed hard during that test.

Although I haven't opened up my PSU, I'm reasonably sure the SATA (1 cable) and the 3x Molex (another cable) are using different wires going back to the PSU.

In my situation, using 2x Molex (1 cable) works better than 2x Molex (2 cables, one native SATA and one native Molex). Using 2x Molex (1 cable), I can boot into Windows and run 3DMark tests without artifacting. When using 2x Molex (2 cables), I could not get post BIOS POST screen. So my behavior seems to be the opposite of what is recommended.