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Reply 17880 of 52820, by xplus93

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All of this talk about power supplies for 6800s makes me think that might be a bit of what's going on with mine. It's a 460W PSU though, so it should be fine for a P4 EE 3.4 + 6800GT. Would flickering textures be considered artifacting?

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Reply 17881 of 52820, by kithylin

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Also I thought I might chime in that I did try once connecting my 6800 ultra to a 'modified...' 🤣 cable for molex that consisted of only the 2 black wires and the one yellow one, which only gave it +12v and did not connect to the molex +5v plug and it wouldn't work. So I don't know what portion of the card pulls from the +5v rail, but, some of it does. It won't run without that.

Reply 17882 of 52820, by BananaBonez

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kithylin wrote:

Also I thought I might chime in that I did try once connecting my 6800 ultra to a 'modified...' 🤣 cable for molex that consisted of only the 2 black wires and the one yellow one, which only gave it +12v and did not connect to the molex +5v plug and it wouldn't work. So I don't know what portion of the card pulls from the +5v rail, but, some of it does. It won't run without that.

12v rail used for GPU and fan control. 5v rail for memory and sync circuits. I believe.

Reply 17883 of 52820, by The Serpent Rider

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6800 ultra's only pull about 150 - 175 watts.

Actually around 80 watts, maybe more with Furmark or something, but not that much. 350 watt PSU with 18A on 12v rail is enough for it. That if it's working properly.

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Only real issue was 3DMark 2003 'Nature' where it would give some weird artifacting.

Pull VRM radiator and check for damage (smell, physical corruption of phases). One of the phases could be dead actually.

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Reply 17884 of 52820, by FuzzyLogic

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I haven't bought any retro hardware in a while, so I decided to splurge this time.

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This is my first ever 3dfx card and the Voodoo Graphics of my dreams in 1996. The card is pristine. Seriously, there wasn't a speck of dust on the card. The previous owner probably tried it, said, "eh," and put it back in the box for 20+ years. Actually, he might even be Vogons member. Send me a PM if you're the seller.

I've seen other Canopus Pure3D cards with fans over the TMU. Should I be worried about it overheating?

Reply 17885 of 52820, by dexvx

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@FuzzyLogic

I have the same Canopus board, no heatsink. I think those were aftermarket.

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Only real issue was 3DMark 2003 'Nature' where it would give some weird artifacting.

Pull VRM radiator and check for damage (smell, physical corruption of phases). One of the phases could be dead actually.

No weird smell. Only happens in 3DMark 2003 Nature. 3DMark 2005/2006 run just fine.

I also have an ATI Radeon X850 XT AGP (1 molex) that experiences artifacting with DX9 scenes. DX7/8 (3DMark 2000/2001SE/2003 (no nature)) seem to run okay. But in DX9 scenes, the textures become all weird and angled (not sure how to describe it).

Might give another PSU a go... I think maybe some AGP boards has issues supplying power. I've also had issues with a more modern Radeon HD 3650 AGP. Maybe time to move AGP test bed (for AGP 8x cards) to something more modern? Barton 3200+/A7N8X?

Reply 17886 of 52820, by BananaBonez

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dexvx if you are using a motherboard that gets the power for the cpu from the +5V line and in combo with the Corsair CX430 PSU that could be your problem. Not enough current available from the +3V and +5V rails to power both mobo and the BFG 6800U without voltage drops causing sags and reboots. Corsair did use crap caps in these PSU.

Reply 17887 of 52820, by BananaBonez

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The Serpent Rider wrote:
Actually around 80 watts, maybe more with Furmark or something, but not that much. 350 watt PSU with 18A on 12v rail is enough f […]
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6800 ultra's only pull about 150 - 175 watts.

Actually around 80 watts, maybe more with Furmark or something, but not that much. 350 watt PSU with 18A on 12v rail is enough for it. That if it's working properly.

dexvx wrote:

Only real issue was 3DMark 2003 'Nature' where it would give some weird artifacting.

Pull VRM radiator and check for damage (smell, physical corruption of phases). One of the phases could be dead actually.

80 watts IDLE 140 to 200 watts under a variable LOAD. The benchmark Nature test Is very Shader intensive and can lock up or restart systems if the PSU is weak or just plain crap. People need to give as much detail as possible as to what hardware is being used in conjunction with these failures otherwise it is a shot in the dark trying to troubleshoot.

Reply 17888 of 52820, by kithylin

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All of this is terribly off topic too for this thread.. if you have power issues running your video card and such it would probably be a much better idea to start your own thread about it so everyone can help you there.

Reply 17889 of 52820, by dexvx

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Yea sorry about that, it was just an one off comment about GF 6800U's power draw. And it was using a Pentium4 Northwood, which gets its power from 12V line. So the Corsair CX430's 20A 5V should be enough.

Here's a picture of a G400 MAX, G4+MMDH4A32G with -5ns SDRAM. I have this one (likely retail) and a Dell SKU one (G4+MMDH4A32G/DELL).

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Reply 17890 of 52820, by The Serpent Rider

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Revision A or B? Looks like B, so it's AGP 4x compatible.

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Reply 17891 of 52820, by appiah4

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Yet another ISA sound card (wtf is wrong with me) but I believe I scored big with this one:

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Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 3D PnP with CS4232 chipset. I think I now jave the ultimate ISA sound card..

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Reply 17892 of 52820, by Cyrix200+

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appiah4 wrote:
Yet another ISA sound card (wtf is wrong with me) but I believe I scored big with this one: […]
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Yet another ISA sound card (wtf is wrong with me) but I believe I scored big with this one:

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Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 3D PnP with CS4232 chipset. I think I now jave the ultimate ISA sound card..

Looks like something I would pass on if I found it somewhere. What makes it special?

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Reply 17893 of 52820, by appiah4

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Cyrix200+ wrote:
appiah4 wrote:
Yet another ISA sound card (wtf is wrong with me) but I believe I scored big with this one: […]
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Yet another ISA sound card (wtf is wrong with me) but I believe I scored big with this one:

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Zoltrix Audio Plus 6400 3D PnP with CS4232 chipset. I think I now jave the ultimate ISA sound card..

Looks like something I would pass on if I found it somewhere. What makes it special?

CS4232 is a very clean soundingchip with high SNR. Card has softwave wavetable and integrated OPL3 (very good albeit not 100% accurate) in CS4289. Has MPU401 support and no hanging note bug as well as a midi/joystick port. The onboard amp can be disabled. All it lacks is IDE but I can live without the rest. I can see myself replacing my CT2290 with this.

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Reply 17894 of 52820, by jheronimus

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FuzzyLogic wrote:
I haven't bought any retro hardware in a while, so I decided to splurge this time. […]
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I haven't bought any retro hardware in a while, so I decided to splurge this time.

yM6w3Bw.jpg

OMH3Ijc.jpg

This is my first ever 3dfx card and the Voodoo Graphics of my dreams in 1996. The card is pristine. Seriously, there wasn't a speck of dust on the card. The previous owner probably tried it, said, "eh," and put it back in the box for 20+ years. Actually, he might even be Vogons member. Send me a PM if you're the seller.

I've seen other Canopus Pure3D cards with fans over the TMU. Should I be worried about it overheating?

Wow that's a cool box. Surprisingly minimalist by 90s standards — no elfs, guns or hammers.

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Reply 17895 of 52820, by hard1k

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That's an inner box IIRC. There ought to be an outer one too.

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Reply 17897 of 52820, by Anonymous Coward

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I have that CS4232 card. What makes the CS4232 desirable is that it does NOT have integrated OPL3, and it normally found paired with a real Yamaha OPL3 chip. This card however is special, because it uses a second Crystal Semiconductors chip to provide both a crappy wavetable and their own proprietary version of OPL3. I also wouldn't hold my breath on the SNR of that card. Although the chip may produce a clean sound, the layout of the card is obviously optimised to save as much money on PCB as possible, which is a sign other components may be of low quality.

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Reply 17898 of 52820, by appiah4

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Anonymous Coward wrote:

I have that CS4232 card. What makes the CS4232 desirable is that it does NOT have integrated OPL3, and it normally found paired with a real Yamaha OPL3 chip. This card however is special, because it uses a second Crystal Semiconductors chip to provide both a crappy wavetable and their own proprietary version of OPL3. I also wouldn't hold my breath on the SNR of that card. Although the chip may produce a clean sound, the layout of the card is obviously optimised to save as much money on PCB as possible, which is a sign other components may be of low quality.

Wow, raining on my parade and crushing my dreams 😜 Is the CS4289 wavetable software only, or does it work in DOS/General MIDI as well? I'll have to try and see how good/bad it sounds and how accurate the CS4289 OPL3 is.

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Reply 17899 of 52820, by Cyrix200+

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More ISA sound cards 😀 I was visiting some goodwill stores to find a serial cable to test my EGA system with, did not find that but did dig up this SoundBlaster CT2260 for E 1.50 .

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