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Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 35580 of 37721, by OldCat

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dionb wrote on 2020-08-19, 20:30:

Everywhere I look, it says Doom doesn't use FPU in any shape or form. Carmack supposedly referenced it explicitly when discussing Quake (which does), but I can't find the reference/quote anywhere.

So it's unlikely FPU would make the difference. But something clearly was. My best bet would be cache: a 386 system with 387 clearly had no expenses spared, so probably was equipped with cache. Cheaper 386 systems were not necessarily equipped with cache, indeed, 386SX systems very rarely were. Cache makes a big difference in performance and is one of the reasons 486 tend to be faster than 386 (period correct code rarely if ever used the extra instructions, but the 1kB L1 cache was always utilized).

Video card could also matter, although with late ISA systems the bus tended to be more of a bottleneck regardless of VGA chip, at least in DOS.

mkarcher wrote on 2020-08-19, 21:41:

The 386 systems that were running Doom badly likely were not late ISA systems, and something like a TVGA 9000 or an OTI077 was quite common those days. Most of them were far from being limited by ISA bandwidth.

Thank you for your answers, gentlemen, very informative. A combination of cache and good graphics card could probably elevate that particular 386 to an "almost 486" status.

Reply 35581 of 37721, by imi

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Predator99 wrote on 2020-08-21, 12:32:
MCA ALR Chips VGA 286 SBC - already got the same one not long ago... MFM Controller […]
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Predator99 wrote on 2020-08-20, 19:07:
Predator99 wrote on 2020-08-14, 09:01:
Sellers pics: How many small wonders do you count? :-) Very intersting also the card on the top: I think this is an EGA with com […]
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Sellers pics: How many small wonders do you count? 😀
Very intersting also the card on the top: I think this is an EGA with composite out connected via the feature connector?

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"Small" wonder box arrived. Actually its not a small but a big wonder! Great stuff in good condition inside...!

I will start with the full length cards. Ever seen a more beautiful graphics card...? This is a TSENG ET2000 EGA with some composite decoder (?) on the fetaure connector and RAM expansion (?) ...

MCA ALR Chips VGA
286 SBC - already got the same one not long ago...
MFM Controller

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I still can't believe you just snatched this away x3 ... that MCA card is beautiful.

Reply 35582 of 37721, by devius

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Predator99 wrote on 2020-08-21, 12:32:

MCA ALR Chips VGA
286 SBC - already got the same one not long ago...
MFM Controller

Looks like some pins on that MFM controller card already had a little bit too much to drink...

Reply 35583 of 37721, by pete8475

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Two freebies I picked up today from the same guy that gave me all the other free stuff recently:
Asus TX97-XE
Promise FastTrak TX2000

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Reply 35584 of 37721, by Xicor

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Unknown_K wrote on 2020-08-20, 22:53:
Xicor wrote on 2020-08-20, 18:46:

It contains a nice mobo, the DFI LanParty NFII Ultra B with a Athlon XP 2500+, plus a nice Geforce 4 ti 4200. I didn't known at the time the state of the components, and mainly did it just for the mobo, unsurprisingly the fault was a horrible PSU gone bad. The DC-DC converters on the vcore are in need of some tlc. The odd thing is those caps are nippon chemicon branded, probably a fake Chinese rip-off.

Fake or not all that hot air coming off the heatsink onto the capacitors will lower life.

True, the problem turns worst as the capacitors near the CPU. A good reminder to take @heart the thermal and ventilation issues.

Reply 35585 of 37721, by waterbeesje

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I received my package today and I'm having some mixed feelings. Most stuff looks good, some look like that have been laying in the rain.

First up: two little Lan cards, one BNC, one rj35. The latter may become in handy.
And the Yamaha YMF719E-S based sound card. No atapi, but I think it's a nice find 😀

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Second: few nice controllers. 16b SCSI / floppy combo, 8b SCSI "floptical"(?) Controller and some generic VLB dual IDE I/o card. Not sure is the second one drivers hard disks, but it's nice 😀

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Next up: graphics. Three times PCI: Triedent TGUI 9440-3 1MB, Avance Logic ALI2301A 1MB and ATI Rage II DVD, 4MB I guess. The ATI may find it's way into something that lacks video ram 😀

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Fourth: two rusty mehs and a crispy 286 daughter board (motherboard on the back side).

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Front of the 286board from prev picture, lots of crisp!!! Hehe, what a mess...
Next to it another 286 board with all plastic simm slots. Looks ok from above, but it's bent... Gonna need testing.

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Even if half of them won't work, it's still €27 well spent (shipping included)
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Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 35586 of 37721, by Predator99

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Predator99 wrote on 2020-08-20, 19:07:
Predator99 wrote on 2020-08-14, 09:01:
Sellers pics: How many small wonders do you count? :-) Very intersting also the card on the top: I think this is an EGA with com […]
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Sellers pics: How many small wonders do you count? 😀
Very intersting also the card on the top: I think this is an EGA with composite out connected via the feature connector?

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"Small" wonder box arrived. Actually its not a small but a big wonder! Great stuff in good condition inside...!

I will start with the full length cards. Ever seen a more beautiful graphics card...? This is a TSENG ET2000 EGA with some composite decoder (?) on the fetaure connector and RAM expansion (?) ...

Now the small wonders:

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Reply 35587 of 37721, by imi

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waterbeesje wrote on 2020-08-21, 14:52:

Even if half of them won't work, it's still €27 well spent (shipping included)
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indeed :3
so many great scoops lately...

this case was also part of the many cards I posted recently... I wonder what kind of system I'll build in there :3c

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excuse the weird borders... but the forum software still doesn't seem to accept portrait mode aspect ratios.

Predator99 wrote on 2020-08-21, 19:24:

Now the small wonders:

way to rub it in... :p 😁

Reply 35588 of 37721, by devius

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imi wrote on 2020-08-21, 19:24:

this case was also part of the many cards I posted recently... I wonder what kind of system I'll build in there :3c

That is a gorgeous case!

Reply 35589 of 37721, by BetaC

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So I managed to pick up an optical PS/2 Mouse. Yeah, that's totally why I'm posting in this thread.

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As you can probably tell, these are the actual reasons I'm posting. I managed to snag myself a Diamond Viper 770, which seems to be in good condition, even if the picture that comes out of it is incredibly dull, and has odd horizontal smearing.

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I also managed to find an Asus Geforce 2 Pro. This one actually does have a fan, and a proper header. If you're wondering why the picture has the heatsink being off, it's because the paste was as fresh as the card.

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I also managed to fins an Intel Pro 100/1000 G NIC, which I plan on using in my general purpose 98 machine. I don't know what I will be doing, but it will certainly be something.

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Reply 35590 of 37721, by Gered

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Not today, but within the past week or two.

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And yes, the Lexmark one is buckling spring, not to worry. That Lexmark one was a local pickup (5 minute drive, not bad!) and was in fantastic condition. Apparently had sat in the guy's basement for 20 years unused. All of the plastic rivets are still intact. The other one (with the grey IBM logo) was really filthy when I got it. Also, as expected with keyboards that saw lots of use, there was lots of random bits of dirt, hair, and other gunk lodged under the keys (including paper clips, 🤣). But it cleaned up real nice. Some plastic rivets are missing, but it's not in need of a bolt mod yet. Probably will be a while before that becomes necessary. Both keyboards feel great to type on. 😀

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P233 MMX/64MB/Voodoo2/Matrox/YMF719/GUS CD3
Duron 800/256MB/Savage4 Pro/SBLive (IN PROGRESS)
Toshiba 430CDT

Reply 35591 of 37721, by EvieSigma

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I don't need any more PCs, but this one grabbed me with its combination of affordable price and distinctive case. Plus hey, it's Socket A and I love Socket A.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Computer-AMD … 872.m2749.l2649

Reply 35592 of 37721, by pete8475

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EvieSigma wrote on 2020-08-22, 01:25:

I don't need any more PCs, but this one grabbed me with its combination of affordable price and distinctive case. Plus hey, it's Socket A and I love Socket A.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Computer-AMD … 872.m2749.l2649

That case and keyboard are awesome.

Reply 35594 of 37721, by EvieSigma

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pete8475 wrote on 2020-08-22, 01:28:
EvieSigma wrote on 2020-08-22, 01:25:

I don't need any more PCs, but this one grabbed me with its combination of affordable price and distinctive case. Plus hey, it's Socket A and I love Socket A.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Computer-AMD … 872.m2749.l2649

That case and keyboard are awesome.

I know, right? I'll have to take some photos of this set up next to my "Bondi Blue" iMac G3 when I get it.

Reply 35595 of 37721, by Horun

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Stopped at a local Thrift store and they had a TIVO, have bought a few from them for $10-15 each over the last year, mostly the Roamio models (for the 500GB or 1TB sata drives in the Roamio) but this time they had an original TIVO series 2. Came in original box with all padding, cords, manuals, etc for $10.
And good news ! an 80GB WD 7200rpm PATA drive inside. Hooked it up and ran some tests, which came back excellent and only 3422 hours on the drive. Not bad for the price 😀 ok so 2009 is not retro but the HD can be used on a lot of retro hardware ! I used my P4 box to run the tests.

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Hate posting a reply and have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. 🤣 Second computer a 286 12Mhz with real IDE drive ! After that came 386, 486, Pentium, P.Pro and everything after....

Reply 35596 of 37721, by luckybob

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That's how i got my stockpile of new (ish) hard drives. I did some "freelance" work for a subcontractor to one of the largest internet/tv providers. They had a large number of "defective" units that needed proper disposal.

All told I ended up with ~50 320gb and ~30 1tb sata drives.

I wonder if they need more work done...

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 35597 of 37721, by Horun

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luckybob wrote on 2020-08-22, 02:40:

That's how i got my stockpile of new (ish) hard drives. I did some "freelance" work for a subcontractor to one of the largest internet/tv providers. They had a large number of "defective" units that needed proper disposal.

All told I ended up with ~50 320gb and ~30 1tb sata drives.

I wonder if they need more work done...

Nice ! 🤣. Glad you saved them. Am guessing some of those drives have very little hours ! And bet others were very well used ;p Was suprised to get a couple 500Gb from 2015 when one had only 1500hrs but the next had 18,500hrs back a few months ago. It is amazing to find older drives that have less than a average years worth of use. Wonder how many good old drives are destroyed by recyclers every day just because they have data and is easier to hammer them then wipe them....

Hate posting a reply and have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. 🤣 Second computer a 286 12Mhz with real IDE drive ! After that came 386, 486, Pentium, P.Pro and everything after....

Reply 35598 of 37721, by Horun

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waterbeesje wrote on 2020-08-21, 14:52:

Second: few nice controllers. 16b SCSI / floppy combo, 8b SCSI "floptical"(?) Controller and some generic VLB dual IDE I/o card. Not sure is the second one drivers hard disks, but it's nice 😀

Actually that 8bit scsi card is nearly same as a Rancho RT1000 Value Stor (same FCC ID) except missing the IRQ jumpers and the Term parts for the missing Ext connector. The NCR53c400 series was used on quite a few very early 90's XT/AT scsi controllers for HD or Cdrom. J6-J9 are the IRQ, J1-J4 are the BIOS address. It supports bothe HD and Cdroms with the proper BIOS (yours may actually support them both too). Here is a pic of one that works very well and is same as yours but the full card. They work great to add a scsi HD or cdrom to an XT/AT and still stay somewhat period correct. Save that card or offer it to me 😀
added: the label on the BIOS looks like 1999 but is 1993...

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Hate posting a reply and have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. 🤣 Second computer a 286 12Mhz with real IDE drive ! After that came 386, 486, Pentium, P.Pro and everything after....

Reply 35599 of 37721, by luckybob

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Well the contract said I had to deliver X pounds of "electronics scrap" to a local recycling company and get a reciept.

needless to say, I cleaned my garage a bit

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.