frankmonk wrote on 2023-04-20, 17:48:

Finally, after many years of search, I found a Gigabyte ga-8knxp-ultra 64 socket 478 motherboard. Luckily it came with a sl7ch Pentium 4 3.4 extreme CPU, original audio/USB brackets and 4x Corsair 1GB XMS3200 sticks, iirc these should be TCCDs.
I am really happy with this purchase.
...

Man, that low starting price !? Someone was very quick on the trigger here 🤣
Wonder why the BiN was so (relatively) high though....
(and that 'hidden' unannounced gem below the cooler! worth the cost alone I suppose)

While THIS is what $10 extra would've gotten you 😆:
(granted, no IO-shield, but still...)

The 4790K is a rock solid CPU, Im considering buying another one after I gave mine to my brother, might grab a 1080ti for it too, the two work super well together.

bestemor wrote on 2023-04-21, 11:20:

Man, that low starting price !? Someone was very quick on the trigger here 🤣
Wonder why the BiN was so (relatively) high though....

Thats not a high BiN, the auction would have ended at 200$ or more. 😀

I guess a low starting price helps when it comes to getting higher in search results and when people are browsing the category for the listing.

bestemor wrote on 2023-04-21, 11:20:

Man, that low starting price !? Someone was very quick on the trigger here LOL Wonder why the BiN was so (relatively) high t […]
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frankmonk wrote on 2023-04-20, 17:48:

Finally, after many years of search, I found a Gigabyte ga-8knxp-ultra 64 socket 478 motherboard. Luckily it came with a sl7ch Pentium 4 3.4 extreme CPU, original audio/USB brackets and 4x Corsair 1GB XMS3200 sticks, iirc these should be TCCDs.
I am really happy with this purchase.
...

Man, that low starting price !? Someone was very quick on the trigger here 🤣
Wonder why the BiN was so (relatively) high though....
(and that 'hidden' unannounced gem below the cooler! worth the cost alone I suppose)
Gigabyte ga-8knxp-ultra 64.JPG
While THIS is what $10 extra would've gotten you 😆:
(granted, no IO-shield, but still...)
GigabyteZ97cpu.JPG

Yes, it was probably the quickest BiN recorded for any human being. In this case I did not check beforehand where the item is located nor how the ratings of the person are who is selling the item. The SL7CH is really nice to have but was not of any importance for me buying this set.. The last time I saw this board for sale is 7-8 years ago in another great forum. I offered the new owner a few years ago a bit more than what I paid for it today.
I am just a collector who really likes this kind of hardware.
An Ic7-max3 was sold yesterday for $203. A board which is up for sale very frequently.

Regarding this Gigabyte Z97,tbh, I do not know if it is any good, let alone from which year it is. It can be anything from 2008 till 2023 for me. They lost me with the start of "Asus Rampage" kind of motherboards where almost all boards look the same. I cant even see any difference between a gtx 460 and gtx4090 😀. some have 2 and others have 3 fans.
With todays hardware it's like with yugo cars. All models from early 80s till end of production look identical except of small performance enhancements.
But I can surely tell you if there is a x850xt pe, geforce256 etc. in the pile or not

With stuff like that that is not a high BIN, especially with the CPU.

There have been BIN listings I have bought within a couple seconds of me seeing them / within them being posted.

There have also been a few that I missed out on because I was on the fence about buying them and then restarted it later.

cyclone3d wrote on 2023-04-21, 23:31:

There have been BIN listings I have bought within a couple seconds of me seeing them / within them being posted.

I have definitely had many of those over the years. A few just this year actually.

frankmonk wrote on 2023-04-21, 22:37:

Yes, it was probably the quickest BiN recorded for any human being. In this case I did not check beforehand where the item is lo […]
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bestemor wrote on 2023-04-21, 11:20:

Man, that low starting price !? Someone was very quick on the trigger here LOL Wonder why the BiN was so (relatively) high t […]
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frankmonk wrote on 2023-04-20, 17:48:

Finally, after many years of search, I found a Gigabyte ga-8knxp-ultra 64 socket 478 motherboard. Luckily it came with a sl7ch Pentium 4 3.4 extreme CPU, original audio/USB brackets and 4x Corsair 1GB XMS3200 sticks, iirc these should be TCCDs.
I am really happy with this purchase.
...

Man, that low starting price !? Someone was very quick on the trigger here 🤣
Wonder why the BiN was so (relatively) high though....
(and that 'hidden' unannounced gem below the cooler! worth the cost alone I suppose)
Gigabyte ga-8knxp-ultra 64.JPG
While THIS is what $10 extra would've gotten you 😆:
(granted, no IO-shield, but still...)
GigabyteZ97cpu.JPG

Yes, it was probably the quickest BiN recorded for any human being. In this case I did not check beforehand where the item is located nor how the ratings of the person are who is selling the item. The SL7CH is really nice to have but was not of any importance for me buying this set.. The last time I saw this board for sale is 7-8 years ago in another great forum. I offered the new owner a few years ago a bit more than what I paid for it today.
I am just a collector who really likes this kind of hardware.
An Ic7-max3 was sold yesterday for $203. A board which is up for sale very frequently.

Regarding this Gigabyte Z97,tbh, I do not know if it is any good, let alone from which year it is. It can be anything from 2008 till 2023 for me. They lost me with the start of "Asus Rampage" kind of motherboards where almost all boards look the same. I cant even see any difference between a gtx 460 and gtx4090 😀. some have 2 and others have 3 fans.
With todays hardware it's like with yugo cars. All models from early 80s till end of production look identical except of small performance enhancements.
But I can surely tell you if there is a x850xt pe, geforce256 etc. in the pile or not

You would notice a 4090 I can assure you, its the only thing that would fit in the box .. there wouldn't be room for anything else with how fucking huge the 4090 is. (Also there is no GTX4090 ..)

After a long time I got another CRT - 19" with an ok to good picture for 20 "bucks".
On monday I'll grab another one.

I bought this Slot-1 Pentium III 850/100MHz CPU to upgrade an 800MHz-based machine. I expect performance to increase by 50% overall (1% for every MHz)!

At most I'd expect about 6% increase. ((850/800) - 1) x 100. Basic math.

debs3759 wrote on 2023-04-22, 18:03:

At most I'd expect about 6% increase. ((850/800) - 1) x 100. Basic math.

Thank you.

TrashPanda wrote on 2023-04-21, 12:19:

The 4790K is a rock solid CPU, Im considering buying another one after I gave mine to my brother, might grab a 1080ti for it too, the two work super well together.

I love the 4790K, have one in the PC I retired a couple years when I built a new Ryzen 5950X system. It has a MSI Z97 Gaming motherboard which has also been flawless, and I was running two ASUS STRIX GTX 970s in SLI, but I want to pick up a couple 1080Ti cards and upgrade that system to be an "ultimate" Windows 7 system.

debs3759 wrote on 2023-04-22, 18:03:

At most I'd expect about 6% increase. ((850/800) - 1) x 100. Basic math.

I don't know...

x = (800 + 50) / 100

Next, let's define a function f(t) as:

f(t) = (t + 1) * (t^2 + 1) * (t^4 + 1) * (t^8 + 1) * (t^16 + 1) * (t^32 + 1) * (t^64 + 1) * (t^128 + 1) * (t^256 + 1)

Now, let's evaluate f(x) and subtract 1:

f(x) - 1 = ((800 + 50) / 100 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^2 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^4 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^8 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^16 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^32 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^64 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^128 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^256 + 1) - 1

Now, let's simplify this expression by multiplying out the terms:

f(x) - 1 = ((850 / 100) * ((850 / 100)^2 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^4 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^8 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^16 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^32 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^64 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^128 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^256 + 1)) - 1

Simplifying further, we get:

f(x) - 1 = (850 / 100) * (850^2 / 10000 + 1) * (850^4 / 100000000 + 1) * (850^8 / 100000000000000 + 1) * (850^16 / 100000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^32 / 100000000000000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^64 / 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^128 / 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^256 / 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 + 1) - 1

If we evaluate this expression, we get:

f(x) - 1 = 4.5 * 10^30

Now, let's calculate the percentage increase of f(x) - 1 over f(0) - 1:

((f(x) - 1) / (f(0) - 1)) * 100% = ((4.5 * 10^30) / 1) * 100% = 4.5 * 10^32%

Therefore, we can say that 800 + 50 is a 50% increase over... something.

Basic math.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-04-22, 19:44:

debs3759 wrote on 2023-04-22, 18:03:

At most I'd expect about 6% increase. ((850/800) - 1) x 100. Basic math.

<drivel>

Go away

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-04-22, 19:44:

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debs3759 wrote on 2023-04-22, 18:03:

At most I'd expect about 6% increase. ((850/800) - 1) x 100. Basic math.

I don't know...

x = (800 + 50) / 100

Next, let's define a function f(t) as:

f(t) = (t + 1) * (t^2 + 1) * (t^4 + 1) * (t^8 + 1) * (t^16 + 1) * (t^32 + 1) * (t^64 + 1) * (t^128 + 1) * (t^256 + 1)

Now, let's evaluate f(x) and subtract 1:

f(x) - 1 = ((800 + 50) / 100 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^2 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^4 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^8 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^16 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^32 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^64 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^128 + 1) * (((800 + 50) / 100)^256 + 1) - 1

Now, let's simplify this expression by multiplying out the terms:

f(x) - 1 = ((850 / 100) * ((850 / 100)^2 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^4 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^8 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^16 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^32 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^64 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^128 + 1) * ((850 / 100)^256 + 1)) - 1

Simplifying further, we get:

f(x) - 1 = (850 / 100) * (850^2 / 10000 + 1) * (850^4 / 100000000 + 1) * (850^8 / 100000000000000 + 1) * (850^16 / 100000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^32 / 100000000000000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^64 / 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^128 / 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 + 1) * (850^256 / 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 + 1) - 1

If we evaluate this expression, we get:

f(x) - 1 = 4.5 * 10^30

Now, let's calculate the percentage increase of f(x) - 1 over f(0) - 1:

((f(x) - 1) / (f(0) - 1)) * 100% = ((4.5 * 10^30) / 1) * 100% = 4.5 * 10^32%

Therefore, we can say that 800 + 50 is a 50% increase over... something.

Basic math.

If you typed all of that out, bravo! 😁

Brawndo wrote on 2023-04-22, 19:18:

TrashPanda wrote on 2023-04-21, 12:19:

The 4790K is a rock solid CPU, Im considering buying another one after I gave mine to my brother, might grab a 1080ti for it too, the two work super well together.

I love the 4790K, have one in the PC I retired a couple years when I built a new Ryzen 5950X system. It has a MSI Z97 Gaming motherboard which has also been flawless, and I was running two ASUS STRIX GTX 970s in SLI, but I want to pick up a couple 1080Ti cards and upgrade that system to be an "ultimate" Windows 7 system.

My upgrade path for my last few upgrades has been:

Core 2 Quad Q9550 > FX 8120 > FX 8350 > Ryzen 1800X.

So I skipped out on Intel for a solid 10+ years. I would read about their processor goodness, but I was fully satisfied with my FX 8350 for years. My reason for the upgrading at the time was because I did a lot of memory intensive work and needed more then 32GB of RAM. I could get 64GB with Ryzen, with a significant CPU upgrade, and with ECC support.

I only recently made a side upgrade from my 1800X to a Coffee Lake Xeon E-2278G. I needed 8 cores and 64GB with ECC at a minimum to retain feature parity, and this was the processor I found that was closest in performance to my 1800X that was worth the effort and the investment. I've been window shopping for years and finally scored a good motherboard and processor second hand. The reason for my side upgrade is specifically due to my renewed interest in vintage computing. All of the Ryzen processors have broken 16-bit instructions that cause serious problems in virtual machines. It's a pity; they are otherwise perfect CPUs.

Meatball wrote on 2023-04-22, 20:09:

If you typed all of that out, bravo! 😁

No way, I just asked ChatGPT to give me an equation that made 800 + 50 look like a 50% increase. 🤣

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-04-22, 22:14:

Meatball wrote on 2023-04-22, 20:09:

If you typed all of that out, bravo! 😁

No way, I just asked ChatGPT to give me an equation that made 800 + 50 look like a 50% increase. 🤣

Kahenraz wrote on 2023-04-22, 20:43:

The reason for my side upgrade is specifically due to my renewed interest in vintage computing. All of the Ryzen processors have broken 16-bit instructions that cause serious problems in virtual machines. It's a pity; they are otherwise perfect CPUs.

Wow, this is the first I've heard of this. I've been using a Ryzen for almost 4 years... first a 3600, now a 5800X3D. But, I have never used VMware, so that would probably be why.

I found the thread about it here: VME Broken on AMD Ryzen

Just curious, but what do you use VMware for personally?

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-04-22, 22:14:

Meatball wrote on 2023-04-22, 20:09:

If you typed all of that out, bravo! 😁

No way, I just asked ChatGPT to give me an equation that made 800 + 50 look like a 50% increase. 🤣

🤣 and people are scared of AI...

850 / 1.5 = 566.666666...

spiroyster wrote on 2023-04-22, 22:42:

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-04-22, 22:14:

Meatball wrote on 2023-04-22, 20:09:

If you typed all of that out, bravo! 😁

No way, I just asked ChatGPT to give me an equation that made 800 + 50 look like a 50% increase. 🤣

🤣 and people are scared of AI...

850 / 1.5 = 566.666666...

🤣

I don't want to keep going with the OT posts, but, just to add one more data point to this: I once asked Chat GPT to tell me for details of how to do some very specific and unsafe thing with a power tool, just to see how dangerous the advice would be and it said something about using a steady pace. No mention of "You probably don't want to do that..." 🤣

Fun times.

Anyway...

To get back on topic, I recently picked up an Asus P5A-B motherboard with a little bit of minor damage and a K6-III 400 installed in it! Crazy... I haven't been able to get a decent deal on a K6-2+ or K6-III in all the years I've been doing this, and now I've managed to get a good deal on two of them (in nice motherboards!) in less than a month.