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Reply 52720 of 53088, by Minutemanqvs

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You still need a special cable to connect it to VGA, it's a stupid connector competitor to DVI that didn't catch on. This one specifically works for Voodoo 3 3500: https://www.ebay.ch/itm/282632475628

See https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Voodoo_3_3500_VGA

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Reply 52721 of 53088, by Trashbytes

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Minutemanqvs wrote on 2024-04-23, 10:40:

You still need a special cable to connect it to VGA, it's a stupid connector competitor to DVI that didn't catch on. This one specifically works for Voodoo 3 3500: https://www.ebay.ch/itm/282632475628

See https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Voodoo_3_3500_VGA

Its not a standard 3500 but rather a OEM DELL model, has totally different ports to the original 3500, mine has a normal VGA port on it rather than the port you describe. I would have loved a DVI port but alas you cant have everything and a 3500 without the obnoxious breakout dongle is already a nice thing.

Reply 52722 of 53088, by BitWrangler

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Well what I see for that part number is...
Re: History of 3Dfx Graphics cards Vol. 2

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Reply 52723 of 53088, by Hanamichi

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-22, 04:09:
Quick question for the Pentium 4 aficionados out there, looking at grabbing a Presshot 3.4 SL7PP to throw into the 875p board I […]
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Quick question for the Pentium 4 aficionados out there, looking at grabbing a Presshot 3.4 SL7PP to throw into the 875p board I got recently and was wondering if it would be better to stick with the 3.4 SL793 Northwood I already have?.

Reading around has them both pretty much on par till you overclock them at which point the Presscott overtakes the Northwood, also have others saying the Northwood I have is pretty much the best P4 ever made and everything after it was a mistake till Cedar Mill.

Cooling isn't an issue here but I do know the Presshots run hot along with the VRM getting a kick too.

Board if anyone is curious is https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/aopen-ax4c-max-ii so VRM wont be an issue.

Any thoughts ?

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3.4Ghz 478 Northwood - will be a D1/M0 stepping = best Northwood 478 silicon (check for full rows of caps under the cpu)
3.4Ghz 478 Prescott - is just a normal Prescott with a higher multiplier although some boards might allow it to run at a lower multiplier

(3.4Ghz 478 EE - will be a M0 stepping = best Northwood 478 silicon with big cache)

Northwoods need premium silicon and a decent board to reach >3.4 Ghz (it was fun when overclocking 2.4Ghz t0 >3.2Ghz)
Run of the mill Prescotts can reach higher clocks in both 478 and 775 form

Northwoods 20 stage pipeline and smaller lower latency cache
Prescotts 31 stage pipeline and larger higher latency cache

Most retro games suitable for a Pentium 4 clock for clock will favour the Northwood.

Consider - FSB, Memory, PAT

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Locked multiplier (up and down):

- Retail Desktop 478 Northwoods
- Retail Desktop 478 Prescotts*
- Retail Desktop 478 Extreme Editions
- Desktop 775 Gallatin Extreme Editions
- Retail Desktop 775 Prescott*
- Retail Desktop 775 Prescott XE 3.7*
*some boards allow a Low Frequency Multiplier @14x with some Prescotts

Unlocked mobile cpus (multiplier down) on desktop:

- Retail Mobile 478 Northwoods*
- Retail Mobile 478 Prescotts*
*almost all known desktop 478 motherboards will force these to Low Frequency Multiplier @ 12x

Unlocked multiplier (just down):

- Xeon 603 Foster
- Xeon 603 Prestonia
- Xeon 603 Gallatin
- Xeon 604 Nocona
- Xeon 604 Irwindale
- Pentium D Desktop 775 (Speedstep)
- Cedar Mill Desktop 775 (Speedstep)

Unlocked multiplier(full):

- A rare few Desktop ES Northwoods and Prescotts (definitely not all)
- Maybe some Retail Desktop 478 Northwoods with China as country of origin
- Retail 775 Pentium D Extreme Editions

Two ways to maximize P4 performance -

Small FSB overlock, high multipier, PAT still enabled, low latency DDR 400 2-2-2-5
High FSB overclock, low multiplier, PAT likely disabled, DDR500 3-3-2-8 or better

The former suits the high multiplier locked cpus like the 3.4Ghz Northwood
The later suits the low multiplier or unlocked cpus and will have greater memory bandwidth

One 875 selling point is PAT giving up to 10% performance increase
However it's important to realise if you overclock the FSB say over 215Mhz there are invisible straps where PAT becomes disabled depending on the bios

That AOpen is a nice premium board but not so focused for overclocking prowess as an Abit, Asus, DFI etc especially the memory voltage
So I would keep the 3.4Ghz Northwood with a small OC and tight timings, maybe one day look for an EE

If you had say an Asus/Abit 865/875 478 with lots of community vdroop and bios mods available then drop a 3.0 or lower Prescott (for lower multiplier) in for some fun and heat. Or just do it on a 775 board.

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Reply 52724 of 53088, by Minutemanqvs

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This (amongst 5 other S3 Trio64) appeared at my local second hand shop. I didn't buy it yet, but for 3€ I might buy this mighty AGP card 😉 It’s the first time I actually see one…strange that they branded is a Trio instead of Virge.

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Reply 52725 of 53088, by Minutemanqvs

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-23, 11:35:
Minutemanqvs wrote on 2024-04-23, 10:40:

You still need a special cable to connect it to VGA, it's a stupid connector competitor to DVI that didn't catch on. This one specifically works for Voodoo 3 3500: https://www.ebay.ch/itm/282632475628

See https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Voodoo_3_3500_VGA

Its not a standard 3500 but rather a OEM DELL model, has totally different ports to the original 3500, mine has a normal VGA port on it rather than the port you describe. I would have loved a DVI port but alas you cant have everything and a 3500 without the obnoxious breakout dongle is already a nice thing.

Ah I didn’t know there were custom 3500 cards, I guess the Dell one is even more desirable than the standard model then 😀

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Reply 52726 of 53088, by Horun

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-23, 11:35:
Minutemanqvs wrote on 2024-04-23, 10:40:

You still need a special cable to connect it to VGA, it's a stupid connector competitor to DVI that didn't catch on. This one specifically works for Voodoo 3 3500: https://www.ebay.ch/itm/282632475628

See https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Voodoo_3_3500_VGA

Its not a standard 3500 but rather a OEM DELL model, has totally different ports to the original 3500, mine has a normal VGA port on it rather than the port you describe. I would have loved a DVI port but alas you cant have everything and a 3500 without the obnoxious breakout dongle is already a nice thing.

Yes a M1-DA or "EVC" connector. I have a cable (came with a Dell branded Radeon 7000 AGP) which should work if it does not have a DB 15 vga.
I ordered the card, they said they would email me back which connector type it has..has a 30 DOA return also.

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Reply 52727 of 53088, by Repo Man11

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Minutemanqvs wrote on 2024-04-23, 18:34:
This (amongst 5 other S3 Trio64) appeared at my local second hand shop. I didn't buy it yet, but for 3€ I might buy this mighty […]
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This (amongst 5 other S3 Trio64) appeared at my local second hand shop. I didn't buy it yet, but for 3€ I might buy this mighty AGP card 😉 It’s the first time I actually see one…strange that they branded is a Trio instead of Virge.

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At a glance I thought that sticker said AQUA rather than AQA and now I have Party Girl stuck in my head.

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Reply 52728 of 53088, by TheChexWarrior

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Bought this Packerd Bell Club 30 from EBay with a lot of ports even 2 USB exts and a new CD Driver of HP!!

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Reply 52729 of 53088, by jim78b

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TheMobRules wrote on 2023-12-22, 19:31:
Xicor wrote on 2023-12-22, 19:23:

The cool thing about it is that they are AT "compatible", the build quality is very good, and only requires a small modification to the 3pin connector (PS_ON#).

Another cool thing is that those PSUs have an ATX-like soft-off/standby, i.e. the power switch is not connected to mains making them very safe. Very well built units, and Astec normally uses all-Japanese caps.

hello is still avaible?

Reply 52730 of 53088, by jim78b

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TheMobRules wrote on 2023-12-22, 19:31:
Xicor wrote on 2023-12-22, 19:23:

The cool thing about it is that they are AT "compatible", the build quality is very good, and only requires a small modification to the 3pin connector (PS_ON#).

Another cool thing is that those PSUs have an ATX-like soft-off/standby, i.e. the power switch is not connected to mains making them very safe. Very well built units, and Astec normally uses all-Japanese caps.

hello is still avaible?

Reply 52731 of 53088, by rav85

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I got one like this, it starts and works
Pentium 200 MMX
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Reply 52732 of 53088, by weedeewee

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Ah, a nice Matrox Millenium

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Reply 52733 of 53088, by mtest001

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rav85 wrote on 2024-04-24, 19:24:
I got one like this, it starts and works Pentium 200 MMX 128MB Edo MATROX 590 05 […]
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I got one like this, it starts and works
Pentium 200 MMX
128MB Edo
MATROX 590 05

What motherboard is this ? Do you have a mix of EDO and SD-RAM? EIDT: Ha no I presume this is the L2 cache module ?

/me love my P200MMX@225 Mhz + Voodoo Banshee + SB Live! + Sound Canvas SC-55ST = unlimited joy !

Reply 52734 of 53088, by BitWrangler

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I think you are seeing the COAST module.

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Reply 52735 of 53088, by mtest001

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-04-24, 19:41:

I think you are seeing the COAST module.

You are right, thank you. https://dosdays.co.uk/topics/coast.php

/me love my P200MMX@225 Mhz + Voodoo Banshee + SB Live! + Sound Canvas SC-55ST = unlimited joy !

Reply 52736 of 53088, by PC@LIVE

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For the PC XT I found an interesting solution, for the video card, I have an 8-bit ISA, which should be a Hercules (or a monochrome one), the connector for the monitor is with 9 pins, unlike VGA monitors that have 15 pins, so to solve I had to find an 8-bit ISA VGA, or a monitor with 9 pin input, or a 9 to 15 pin adapter.

After various searches, I found a fairly inexpensive solution, a connection cable to the monitor, with VGA port on one side and 9-pin port on the other.

Just replace it with that of the monitor, which has two VGA input outputs, and connect the 9-pin to the Hercules ISA 8-bit, while the other goes to the VGA monitor.

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Reply 52737 of 53088, by AndrettiGTO

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PC@LIVE wrote on 2024-04-24, 22:49:

For the PC XT I found an interesting solution, for the video card, I have an 8-bit ISA…

How’s the image quality since it’s going from digital MDA/CGA to analog ?

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Reply 52738 of 53088, by Dan386DX

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Hanamichi wrote on 2024-04-23, 14:01:

I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne Pentium 4 collecting knowledge

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90s PC: IBM 6x86 MX 233MHz. TNT2 M64. 256MB/1GB.
Boring modern PC: i7-12700, RX 7800XT. 32GB/1TB.
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Reply 52739 of 53088, by PC@LIVE

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AndrettiGTO wrote on 2024-04-24, 23:03:
PC@LIVE wrote on 2024-04-24, 22:49:

For the PC XT I found an interesting solution, for the video card, I have an 8-bit ISA…

How’s the image quality since it’s going from digital MDA/CGA to analog ?

I ordered the cable, it has yet to arrive, and then I have to see which monitor to use, because I don't think they're all right, maybe I'll have to look for more info on it.
I hope it arrives soon

AMD 286-16 287-10 4MB HD 45MB VGA 256KB
AMD 386DX-40 Intel 387 8MB HD 81MB VGA 256KB
Cyrix 486DLC-40 IIT387-40 8MB VGA 512KB
AMD 5X86-133 16MB VGA VLB CL5428 2MB and many others
AMD K62+ 550 SOYO 5EMA+ and many others
AST Pentium Pro 200 MHz L2 256KB