I have an updated score for my 386 system 😀

After changing the ISA bus speed jumper settings, from 7.2MHz ASYNC, to bus speed /8 SYNC (effective 5MHz ISA bus speed) I actually got a small increase in my score.

I assume that generating a seperate 7.2MHz clock for the ISA bus, and running out of sync with the main bus, is far more intensive than simply running the ISA bus in sync with the main bus at a divider.

AMD-386DX-40-1-40-Contaq-Contaq 386/'MS-3124'-SIS 85C206-256KB-ISA-ET4000AX-1MB-DonutKing-16.1

EDIT: As discussed in my thread in System Specs I think these dividers are going from the 80MHz crystal oscillator on the board rather than the 40MHz CPU speed, so the ISA bus clock rates are twice as fast as what I said above. It would also explain the performance increase.

Just letting everyone know that I will update the sheet, but not that frequently. Maybe once a month...

I've got a benchmark for the first 386 ever! I have several 386dx/16 cpus,bought some months ago from ebay. I couldn't find a way to test them. Two days ago a friend of mine gave me a motherboard with a ceramic 386dx/40 on a PGA socket. The problem was that it used RTC Dallas-like chip that it's battery had gone off, and my friend tried to remove the upper part of the chip, leaving exposed some pins on each side. The problem though, was that the chip was soldered on to the m/b. I tried to connect some wires on the chip, but couldn't reach them easily, so then decided to desolder the chip. After doing that very carefully, I was able to re-insert it or another, and tried some other chips I had. It worked with all of them, including two dallas chips, but it wouldn't save the settings, so it was still useless(it couldn't even save the floppy type, so it wouldn't boot). Today I bought some sockets for that chip, and soldered one where it should be, and with the original chip out of the m/b and exposed, I was able to solder some cables on the upper exposed pins, and voila it works! Then I wasted no more time, I removed the 80MHz crystal(which fortunately was socketed) and inserted a 33MHz one I had. I placed all my 386s one by one, and was very surprized and happy to see the working all! So I've made a measurement on 3dbench, using a very old trident 8800 I had, to see how a pc of that time performs. So the results are : Intel-80386DX-16-1-16-DTK-PEM0030Y-SYMPHONY 82C461-64kB-ISA-TVGA 8800CS-512kB-Markk-6.2

edit : right now I replaced both the crystal and the cpu with the 40MHz one, and the 3dbench score for the same system with the new cpu is 11.9.

I can't see an AMD DX4-100 in the 3DBench database table, so here's one!

AMD-486DX4-33-3-100-Soyo-4SA2-SIS 496/497-256kB-PCI-S3 Trio 64V+-1MB-retro games 100-62.5

Following on from the 62.5 score I got in my previous post above, I removed the PCI video card, and replaced it with a Cirrus Logic VLB GD5428 card. I reran 3DBench, and got a score of 12.3, which is a huge frame rate drop.

Wow that's totally unexpected. Might be how the VLB is implemented on that board.

I mean a 386DX40 with ISA is faster than that!

Oh yes! 😀 I have just managed to equal BasterMike's top score in 3DBench of 83.3! I used a PCI based Biostar MB-8433UUD-A mobo, PCB revision 3.1. I talked about this mobo here. The funny thing is, I can't remember where I got it from.

AMD-5x86-33-4-133-Biostar-MB_8433UUD_A-UMC8881-256kB-PCI-S3 Trio 64V+-1MB-retro games 100-83.3

Hello all, might as well add my system/score to the sheet.

Intel-486DX2-40-2-80-JetWay-J403-Unknown-256KB-ISA-Diamond SpeedStar 64-1MB-af0h-47.6

Slot 1 systems are lacking results, so:

Intel-Pentium III-100-4.5-450-PC Partner-VIB862D-VIA APOLLO PRO-512KB-AGP-3dfx Voodoo 4 4500-32MB-sprcorreia-502.0

udam_u wrote:

@Mau1wurf1977 You have done great job! (: […]
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@Mau1wurf1977 You have done great job! (:

This is my result:
AMD-5x86-60-3-180-Shuttle-Hot-433-UMC8881-512kb-PCI-Tseng ET6000-4MB-udam_u-102.1
3dbench 1.0c.

Sorry man I would like to record only stock results. This list acts more as a reference for Retro system builders.

elianda wrote:

Intel-Pentium MMX-66-2.5-166-Gigabyte-GA586HX-i430HX-512kB-PCI-ELSA Victory Erazor (Riva128)-4 MB-Default-Elianda
3DBench 1.0c: 151.4

Hey man that score is very high. It's faster than two entries for MMX 233. Maybe double check?

Thanks

sprcorreia wrote:

Slot 1 systems are lacking results, so

Make sure you read the first post regarding FASTVID to unlock full DOS VGA performance on Slot 1 machines.

Or benchmark from within W98. I have uploaded your results and can change the score any time!

Database has been updated!

I just ran 3DBench on my Gateway 2000 desktop. Since the motherboard is proprietary, I simply listed the computer model.

Intel-Pentium Overdrive-33-2.5-83-Gateway 2000-4DX2/66-82420EX-None-
PCI-Rage XL-8MB-AlphaKilo470-76.9

Intel-DX4 Overdrive-33-3-100-Gateway 2000-4DX2/66-82420EX-None-
PCI-Rage XL-8MB-AlphaKilo470-58.8

Intel-Pentium Overdrive-33-2.5-83-Gateway 2000-4DX2/66-82420EX-None-
PCI-QVision 2000 (MGA Athena chipset)-2MB-AlphaKilo470-14.9

Then same configuration but with a 100mhz Intel DX4 Overdrive chip instead of the 83mhz Pentium ODP brings the 3DBench score down to 58.8.

For a bit of 🤣, I pulled the 8mb ATI card and replaced it with a 2mb Compaq QVision 2000 video card which is based around the Matrox Athena chipset and the score then was 14.9.

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:

sprcorreia wrote:

Slot 1 systems are lacking results, so

Make sure you read the first post regarding FASTVID to unlock full DOS VGA performance on Slot 1 machines.

Or benchmark from within W98. I have uploaded your results and can change the score any time!

Yes, i followed the instructions step by step. Thanks.

Hope I got the formatting right.
Just a quick test while I'm rebuilding my DOS/Win9x PC with a new mainboard. While I was at it, I thought I might give different cards a try.

FIY: The Mystique is the card that's normally used in this system.

PCI:
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-PCI-Matrox Mystique-8MB-Mystery-137.2
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-PCI-S3 Trio64 V+-2MB-Mystery-138.4
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-PCI-S3 Vision 968-4MB-Mystery-121.1
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-PCI-S3 Virge-8MB-Mystery-138.1
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-PCI-3D Labs Permedia 2-4MB-Mystery-138.3
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-PCI-Riva TNT-8MB-Mystery-142.0

AGP (all get the same score regardless of card used):
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-AGP-Voodoo Banshee-16MB-Mystery-140.6
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-AGP-Riva 128-4MB-Mystery-140.6
Intel-Pentium-66-3.5-233-DFI-P5BV3+-VIA MVP3-1MB-AGP-Voodoo3 2000-16MB-Mystery-140.6

Overall the scores seem a little bit too low for my taste. Not terribly low, they're okay, but I expected more.

Oh, and I still can't get over the score of the 6x68L Cyrix. *g*

Interesting that with PCI there is still some difference, but once you go AGP they all perform identical 🤣

Yea the Cyrix MII is a beast clock for clock! And that's not even the fastest chip I have. However it sucks at games that take advantage of Pentium instructions.

Just realized that I haven't benched a ton of chips. Oh well maybe in the next life 🤣

Usually the system runs at 2.5x100, but I clocked it to 3.5x66 for the test.
The system gets a huge boost from the increased FSB and even with the Mystique the score rises significantly. But still no match for the almighty Cyrix 😉

Intel could probably have been competitive with the P55C architecture on So7 but then they wouldn't have been able to sell their PII *g*

I could probably do a heap of Slot 1 processors if you are interested?

My V2 SLI system is 440BX motherboard with a Matrox G200 and currently has a P2 400MHz, but I have a number of slot 1 processors ranging from Celeron 266 (Covington), a few different P2's and P3's al lthe way up to a 1.4GHz Tualatin Celeron on a slocket adapter.

Having said all that, the K6-2+ / K6-3+ rule all of them!

~ 3 times as fast as the fastest socket 7 Intel CPU. Quite impressive...