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First post, by Tetrium

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So today a friend of mine visited me today and she brought an old computer I knew I was gonna be getting for like half a year or so.
As she told me it had Windows 95 running on it, I had anticipated it would be old, but I was still kinda surprised when I had a first glance at the system case and it turned out to be an AT style system case!
It's in really good shape too, no obvious yellowing and hardly any dust.

Unfortunately the hardware inside was nothing special. Just a VX motherboard (although with 2 DIMM slots, kinda unusual for a VX), S3 ...something with 2 memory chips and 2 filled memory upgrade sockets, an ISA ESS soundcard and a Pentium 166 non-mmx.

But still, in the last 2+ years, this has only been the second AT system that found it's way to my home, AT systems seem to be on the verge of extinction in the wild by now.
I never see them on the streets anymore, there was none during the last queens day (and I saw a LOT of old systems), nothing in second hand stores and noone I talked to who seemed to have such a system gathering dust in a closet.

It's all ATX these days...

Come to think of it, about 13 years ago I got my 1st own computer, a brand new sparkling superfast Pentium 2...WOOO!!
It was super fast! faster then the Pentium 1 mmx's owned by any of my friends and only people using their computers for word processing were still using a 486 or older.
Back then it all seemed to be simple, you had the 8086, 286, 386 and the 486 which were regarded as old in those days.
A Pentium 1 was considered 'alright', provided you had one running at 133Mhz or faster and the Pentium 2 was the newest kid on the block.

And now it's ancient, I mean it was superceded by the Pentium 3's, Athlon, Pentium 4 (in 3 different sockets), Athlon XP, Athlon 64, Conroe, Dual cores, DDR2, Quad core!, DDR3...
The more computer hardware evolves, the more cluttered it seems to become, with the people who can be considered computer hobbyists (imo, who at least has some first hand experience with AT-style hardware and older) slowly becoming total hardware specialists.

In 10 years, we could all write a book about computer hardware, and how it evolved and was viewed, which noone else could write the same way we could because there is so much to tell, and I think im-possible to learn for someone who, in 10 years time, decides to "oh, I'll just go write a book about computers!", because they can't. Ever.

What was before the 8086 is kinda a black area for me anyway, and in 10 years time anything before the dual core will be a black area for the people then. Can anyone imagine that? How could anyone explain how it's been?

Anyway, I'm ranting, and I'm hungry for some toast with peanutbutter 😁
Weird, isn't it?

Reply 1 of 5, by RogueTrip2012

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Well...

At my work we still have a few AT 386/486 systems that are still running but to be retired soon enough as they not really used anymore since we transitioned over to a newer systems. Where just database networks through DOS for customer Narda's and such.

Your right about being too crowded. I would point my finger at the start of the complication at Athlon and Pentium 3. Too many socket/slot and MHz choices on the field and then to only expand worse in next generations.

I started building computers when I was 13 years old and I actually helped build my 1st system which was cool as I'd never really even played much with computers up until I got my own. My first system was a Pentium 1 166 MMX, Trident 1mb, like 16mb ram, I think a 800-1gb hard drive, Sound Blaster 16 ISA, and Windows 95 upgrade which had just hit the market. Soon after I got a hand me down Voodoo1 4mb and thats when my PC gaming addiction started.

For the most part I never messed with systems older than a P1 but when in college I did do a small report about the start of Intel and the evolution of processors from the 4040 up to the new at the time Pentium 4 systems. When I started going through some older driver disc for my retro build I came across the old report that had been burned to CD.

Interestingly enough I had a long time while in college and dating where I didn't play many games or computers too much as 3DFX had also ceased to be around and games started going downhill fast enough afterwards. So from about 2000-2007 there is a large blank spot in hardware for me and mostly just the Athlon XP and 64bit crap I missed out on but even that short of a time makes it feel like a lifetime to catch back up with.

> W98SE . P3 1.4S . 512MB . Q.FX3K . SB Live! . 64GB SSD
>WXP/W8.1 . AMD 960T . 8GB . GTX285 . SB X-Fi . 128GB SSD
> Win XI . i7 12700k . 32GB . GTX1070TI . 512GB NVME

Reply 2 of 5, by awergh

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Hmm whenever I see an AT PSU I make sure I try to get it since they are harder to replace so I like having spares. Although the last time I tried but failed 🙁 I just couldn't pull the cables off of the switch and didn't have a small enough screwdriver to take the switch as well. Then when I went to look for it again it was gone 🙁 oh well it was only a PII which didn't really interest me which is why I only got the USB Riser thingo and Zip Drive (I only had 1 I was sure I needed another ZIP Drive even though I don't have any disks)

I always seem to regret thinking about missed opportunities.

Reply 3 of 5, by shock__

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awergh wrote:

Hmm whenever I see an AT PSU I make sure I try to get it since they are harder to replace so I like having spares. Although the last time I tried but failed 🙁 I just couldn't pull the cables off of the switch and didn't have a small enough screwdriver to take the switch as well. Then when I went to look for it again it was gone 🙁 oh well it was only a PII which didn't really interest me which is why I only got the USB Riser thingo and Zip Drive (I only had 1 I was sure I needed another ZIP Drive even though I don't have any disks)

I always seem to regret thinking about missed opportunities.

ATX PSUs can be easily adapted to AT (no soldering required[tm]).
Would be your best bet anyways, as old PSUs like to surge/brownout causing all kinds of funny bugs or even going as far as killing the components attached.

Reply 4 of 5, by Alphakilo470

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I'm not too sad that AT is mostly extinct. Having all the necessary ports built onto the motherboard as well as having a power supply connector that you can't accidentally plug wrong are major advantages. It also seems that AT motherboards with PS/2 ports are extremely rare.

However, to not be totally negative, the AT format does have significant nostalgia value. Considering my first experiences working on a computer was back in the 90s, seeing AT format boards does remind me of some fun times that have passed.

As for clutter, it's all relative. Ever see a motherboard new enough to support the 386 but old enough to predate integrated chipsets? Better yet, life back when upgrading your RAM involved individual chips tghat went into sockets vs. more convenient, durable and compact memory modules.

Reply 5 of 5, by Old Thrashbarg

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I still semi-frequently come across first-gen Pentium systems, but rather than AT, they're usually LPX or some other proprietary layout. There just weren't all that many computers around this area back then, and the people that did have 'em usually had Compaqs or Packard Bells or such.

The few AT systems I do find are all approximately the same thing: the most godawful cheap POS case and PSU you could possibly imagine, PCChips Socket 7 all-in-one board, AMD K6 or K6-2, 32-64MB RAM, CD-ROM, floppy. Generally also accompanied by a 15" Relisys CRT monitor. There was one computer shop in the area, and that is the standard package they sold.