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Reply 200 of 329, by noshutdown

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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2 RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM OS: XP SP3 […]
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz
Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2
RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM
OS: XP SP3

It's really hard to squeeze a lot of info on a 640x480 desktop!

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XP on a 83MHz POD with 64 MB of RAM? Goodness that must be bloody slow

yeah thats aweful, although winxp was reported to "run" with as low as pentium-25 and 24mb of ram, probably the initial version without any service pack.
i would rather use nt4 or win95osr2 on 64mb rig. even win2000 would occupy about 60mb of ram after booting, and winxp uses a bit over 100.
and the superpi time is aweful too, probably due to socket3's 32bit bus and lower fsb.

Reply 201 of 329, by noshutdown

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higher fsb and clock doesn't mean faster performance!

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Reply 202 of 329, by smeezekitty

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noshutdown wrote:
yeah thats aweful, although winxp was reported to "run" with as low as pentium-25 and 24mb of ram, probably the initial version […]
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2 RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM OS: XP SP3 […]
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz
Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2
RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM
OS: XP SP3

It's really hard to squeeze a lot of info on a 640x480 desktop!

486gac2_40_25_superpi.jpg

XP on a 83MHz POD with 64 MB of RAM? Goodness that must be bloody slow

yeah thats aweful, although winxp was reported to "run" with as low as pentium-25 and 24mb of ram, probably the initial version without any service pack.
i would rather use nt4 or win95osr2 on 64mb rig. even win2000 would occupy about 60mb of ram after booting, and winxp uses a bit over 100.
and the superpi time is aweful too, probably due to socket3's 32bit bus and lower fsb.

I do run 2000 on my 486 with 64 mb of ram and it is quite slow. The boot time is especially bad.
Even though the minimum spec of XP is 64MB, it truly isn't usable at that even with a fast processor

Reply 203 of 329, by lazibayer

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noshutdown wrote:
yeah thats aweful, although winxp was reported to "run" with as low as pentium-25 and 24mb of ram, probably the initial version […]
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2 RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM OS: XP SP3 […]
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz
Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2
RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM
OS: XP SP3

It's really hard to squeeze a lot of info on a 640x480 desktop!

486gac2_40_25_superpi.jpg

XP on a 83MHz POD with 64 MB of RAM? Goodness that must be bloody slow

yeah thats aweful, although winxp was reported to "run" with as low as pentium-25 and 24mb of ram, probably the initial version without any service pack.
i would rather use nt4 or win95osr2 on 64mb rig. even win2000 would occupy about 60mb of ram after booting, and winxp uses a bit over 100.
and the superpi time is aweful too, probably due to socket3's 32bit bus and lower fsb.

Hell slow... Not trying to use it just wanted to see what old rigs are capable of...
RAM-wise no boot with 20MB RAM on SP3. It boots with 24MB RAM.
The lowest frequency record is 8MHz, achieved by winhistory.de. I am trying to hit 2MHz 😎

Reply 205 of 329, by noshutdown

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lazibayer wrote:
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higher fsb and clock doesn't mean faster performance!

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That's impressive! What mobo and OS do you use?

board is mvp3 with 2mb cache, and i use win2000sp4 on the rig.
you can see my other tests here:
my socket7 cpu benchmark results

Reply 206 of 329, by lazibayer

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Still the same platform:

CPU: K6-3+450 ACZ
Mobo: P5A-B
RAM: 256MB PC133 2-2-2
OS: XP SP3

But this time I turned off some services and the fancy interface.
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124x5, no L3:

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Reply 207 of 329, by Skyscraper

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Here is my K6-3+ @ 600. I not sure if I already posted this result in this thread.

The OS is Windows 98 SE, I think I would get a better score in Windows XP.
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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 208 of 329, by lazibayer

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Here is my K6-3+ @ 600. I not sure if I already posted this result in this thread. […]
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Here is my K6-3+ @ 600. I not sure if I already posted this result in this thread.

The OS is Windows 98 SE, I think I would get a better score in Windows XP.
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I thought 98SE would occupy less systematic resource than 2000 or XP thus applications may run faster under 98SE.

Reply 209 of 329, by Skyscraper

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lazibayer wrote:
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Here is my K6-3+ @ 600. I not sure if I already posted this result in this thread.

The OS is Windows 98 SE, I think I would get a better score in Windows XP.

I thought 98SE would occupy less systematic resource than 2000 or XP thus applications may run faster under 98SE.

I get better scores in almost all benchmarks when using XP compaired to Windows 98 SE.
Im not 100% sure when it comes to socket 7 systems though as I never tried XP with anythng slower than a Pentium III.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 210 of 329, by lazibayer

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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz
Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2
L2-cache: 0KB
RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM
OS: XP SP3

Previous test was done right after fresh installation. This time I shut off some services.

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Reply 211 of 329, by noshutdown

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lazibayer wrote:
CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2 RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM OS: XP SP3 […]
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz
Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2
RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM
OS: XP SP3

Previous test was done right after fresh installation. This time I shut off some services.

486gac2_40_25_superpi_0.jpg

yeah its a bit faster than last time, but still pretty slow compared to me getting 13:17 with pmmx-133. i would be running nt4 on that rig if i were you.

Reply 212 of 329, by lazibayer

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noshutdown wrote:
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2 RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM OS: XP SP3 […]
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CPU: Pentium Overdrive 83MHz at 40x2.5=100MHz
Mobo: FIC 486-GAC-2
RAM: 64MB 60ns FPM
OS: XP SP3

Previous test was done right after fresh installation. This time I shut off some services.

486gac2_40_25_superpi_0.jpg

yeah its a bit faster than last time, but still pretty slow compared to me getting 13:17 with pmmx-133. i would be running nt4 on that rig if i were you.

I didn't mean to start a competition nor setting some kind of record. Sure a PMMX-133 with 64bit RAM interface and PCI system bus will beat an L2-cacheless PODP with 32bit RAM and ISA bus. No need to mention that.
Shamefully I don't have NT4 but I would purchase one if I spotted a good deal on ebay or somewhere else. I put XP on that rig simply for the thrill of running XP on a 486 platform, and NT4 couldn't give me that same amount of joy.

Reply 213 of 329, by lazibayer

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Tillamook 133x3 on SiS530
Can't turn on L2 cache and the poor memory bandwidth of SiS530 may hurt a lot.

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Reply 214 of 329, by noshutdown

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lazibayer wrote:

Tillamook 133x3 on SiS530
Can't turn on L2 cache and the poor memory bandwidth of SiS530 may hurt a lot.

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true, you should try it with ali5 board and i expect it to achieve under 6 minutes at 100*4.

Reply 215 of 329, by lazibayer

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noshutdown wrote:
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Tillamook 133x3 on SiS530
Can't turn on L2 cache and the poor memory bandwidth of SiS530 may hurt a lot.

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true, you should try it with ali5 board and i expect it to achieve under 6 minutes at 100*4.

It won't boot on P5A-B rev. 1.04 and that's the only ALi5 I got 🙁
I am looking for an MVP3 with 2MB cache. They are quite rare and expensive nowadays. I bought one PA-2013 for 15 bucks back in 2002. Never should have ditched it. 😢

Reply 216 of 329, by Skyscraper

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The quest to prove that Netburst isnt terrible... just bad... continues.

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 217 of 329, by Kamerat

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The quest to prove that Netburst isnt terrible... just bad... continues.

Nice speed on that CPU, air cooling?

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Reply 218 of 329, by Skyscraper

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Kamerat wrote:
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The quest to prove that Netburst isnt terrible... just bad... continues.

Nice speed on that CPU, air cooling?

Yes with a Thermalright Ultra 120. It runs very cool so I think a cheaper tower cooler could cool it just fine.
This CPU needs more voltage than expected but it scales well.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.