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First post, by subhuman@xgtx

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same as title 😵 Were there ever any released tech demos of the NV1 chipset made to demonstrate the "power" of quadratic rendering?

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Reply 1 of 46, by F2bnp

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Hello! I don't think any tech demos were ever released, however, Don Goddard from Sega Technical Institute used to work on the NV1 for a while as it was considered for development of a certain Sonic game. A guy named hxc asked him about the NV1 a few years ago and he was ecstatic about some tech demos that he had created on it, nothing ever came out of it though...

Reply 2 of 46, by subhuman@xgtx

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thanks for the info! however, this short extract of wikipedia's article "While demos of quadratic rendered round spheres looked good, experience had proved working with quadratic texture maps was extremely difficult" makes things even more confusing 🤣

Reply 3 of 46, by vetz

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I have no information or evidence of any kind that any NV1 tech demos was released to the public.

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Reply 5 of 46, by Stiletto

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sliderider wrote:

There's a series of videos on Youtube but a lot of commenters think the videos are done on systems much more powerful than a PC with an nv1.

I had to investigate to see what the hell you were talking about. 😀

The uploader originally wrote this:

Demo videos sent to me by an engineer who indicated they were shipped with NV1 powered Diamond Edge 3d multimedia board. (1996-1997)

But then added this:

Robert Backstrand writes:
A collection siggraph convention animation entries stretching from about 1984 to the early 90's. Most of these pieces were developed to showcase some inovation in 3D animation. The notable developments being displayed are motion scripting, texture maps, reflectance mapping and perhaps even ray tracing but I'd have to look a little more closley. Diamond Edge had nothing to do with these other than perhaps packaging them with their product.

And a commenter wrote:

Almost all of these old 3d animations are on a rather rare tape called "State of the Art of Computer Animation"

AGENDA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZvJnzkRSs
BELLSNWH - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XSV50W8P7I
CHROMSAR - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbKQ4yzay8g
GEARS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRKNbwkeB0
LOCOMOTV - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uULZsLKpOV8
SPEEDER - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b47wUNk3GBs
STANSTEL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmhcHPdTB8
TAKUROBT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxpkkEngF4E
TRIDIGIT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r98xTId6mw

So - first of all they were NOT rendered by the Diamond Edge 3D NV1 without a doubt. Secondly these demos were made by professionals, still wouldn't have shipped with them.

If anything the guy who uploaded them received a CD full of AVI's or MPEG's that _may_ have shipped with a graphics card "just to be cool" but definitely not with permission from the creators.

The original uploader should probably edit the titles, but it's too late now: up on YouTube for five years...

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Reply 6 of 46, by Putas

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How could people expect demo like LOCOMOTV to run 20th century consumer graphics, let alone nv1?

Stiletto wrote:

there's more than one Diamond Edge 3D in the series with different chipsets

STG2000 and NV1 are same thing, for what I know the only difference between the two was memory type used.

Reply 7 of 46, by Stiletto

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Ahhh I was thinking of another series of theirs, thought the Edge had more. Thanks for the factcheck.

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Reply 8 of 46, by vetz

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I just got hold of the 1.0 version of the Diamond Edge 3D driver CD and I can confirm that these videos are included. There are also a video product tour of all the Diamond products. I'll upload that to Youtube.

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Reply 9 of 46, by F2bnp

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Here's the link to first part of the interview with Don Goddard: info.sonicretro.org/Don_Goddard_intervi ... (May_2008)
The interview was mostly about an old cancelled Sonic game, Sonic X-treme, but it does include some behind the scenes SEGA stuff and Nvidia.
The guy is an absolute joy, he must be a very fun guy to talk to in person 😀
Here's an interesting part:

"The new platform was nVidia's NV1. The NV1 was frickin' brilliant but only a third as powerful as the 3DFX card. At the time, we saw these 3D cards like you see Renderware and Gamebryo or Unreal Editor today...unproven middleware only for hardware. The NV1 could do what I call URBS with is the same thing as NURBS except they have to be uniformally distributed points along the polygon and they are 9 point polygons. The NV1 could do tri's, quad's and 9 point polys that were very clever and drawing near perfect curves. You could do a sphere in 6 polys!!! Take a box and pull the middles out of each of the sides and you'd have a sphere, though they would cusp at the edges so you really needed 32, but with 32 polys you could do ANY size sphere and it looked perfect.

It could also do amazing color lighting--another thing the Saturn couldn't. The Saturn couldn't light for shit and most games have no light in them. You could like the 8 ouside points of the 9point poly and light the inside a diff color and get a perfect circle of light, no banding whatsoever. "

Reply 11 of 46, by Putas

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Interesting interview indeed. This is the only developer appreciating the technology, I don't think success was question of performance. NV1 was complete multimedia with half the transistors of Voodoo.

Could somebody share binaries for NV Nascar? I wonder if it would be so slow on my card.

Reply 12 of 46, by [GPUT]Carsten

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Was the interview pulled again? I am getting nothing but a blank page with the message "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.".

Reply 13 of 46, by vetz

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[GPUT]Carsten wrote:

Was the interview pulled again? I am getting nothing but a blank page with the message "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.".

The forum software bugged out apparently on making a correct link to the URL. Here is a working one: http://bit.ly/WXI0WW

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Reply 14 of 46, by Stiletto

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vetz wrote:

I just got hold of the 1.0 version of the Diamond Edge 3D driver CD and I can confirm that these videos are included. There are also a video product tour of all the Diamond products. I'll upload that to Youtube.

Another great find, vetz! Thanks for verifying that! Can you please log in to YouTube and comment on the other videos linked earlier in this thread and explain to them what happened?

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Reply 15 of 46, by vetz

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Stiletto wrote:

Another great find, vetz! Thanks for verifying that! Can you please log in to YouTube and comment on the other videos linked earlier in this thread and explain to them what happened?

Done 😀 I can share this disc on Vogonsdrivers if people are interested.

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Reply 16 of 46, by F2bnp

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You should also check this out :
http://zephyrx.com/fuck/final.txt

This is the final part of the "interview". This guy, Hxc, talked to him through IM and then he posted his conversations with him.
Goddard got really obsessed when he was talking about the NV1 and the unreleased NV2, so much so that he almost completely forgot the matter Hxc had contacted him in the first place, Sonic X-treme. He eventually got an NV1 and he got it working, along with his UFO game and he goes on to talk about it quite a bit, it's kinda hilarious. You can see that near the end of the txt file.

Reply 17 of 46, by vetz

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I'm gonna try and see if I can contact this guy. If he would make the UFO game demo public in some way, or atleast show it through a video then that would be awesome (if he doesn't have a VGA capture card then I will be more than willing to do it for him). He says it requires the Saturn controller, and I got that along with the card and capture devices.

If not then I'm sure he will be interested in talking about the NV1 abit more 😀

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Reply 19 of 46, by vetz

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F2bnp wrote:

Oh yes, that would definitely be interesting. I think I can contact hxc and ask him about his contact info, would you like me to?

I just sent a mail through his company contact site. I'm pretty sure he'll get it. If not then I guess we can give it one more try via hxc.

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