Ultra has SDR memory.

They are all SDR.... 😀

Rage 128 was a confusing branding mess. There are different names for retail and OEM cards. Rage 128 Pro Ultra is an OEM card. The Pro Ultra should be fairly similar in speed to the Rage Fury Pro.

swaaye wrote:

They are all SDR.... 😀

Rage 128 was a confusing branding mess. There are different names for retail and OEM cards. Rage 128 Pro Ultra is an OEM card. The Pro Ultra should be fairly similar in speed to the Rage Fury Pro.

Worse, the Pro Ultra doesn't work with ATi drivers, you need the ones from the OEM.

(Or at least, I could never get them working with ATi Drivers...)

the rage128pro "ultra" is nothing other than an oem model of the rage128pro. it uses the same rage128pro chip and same pci dev code but a different subsys code, which is not in the subsys list of ati's driver. so you just need to delete the subsys code of "generic rage128pro" line in the inf file, so it would work with all cards under the dev code family.
and the ultra clocks a bit differently:
"standard" rage128pro (maybe called xpert128pro): 120/120
high-end version with active cooling fan(probably called rage fury pro): rumored to be 143/143, very rare.
rage fury maxx: dual cores at 125/143
rage128pro ultra: mine reports 133/133 but some others report 118/140.

SquallStrife wrote:

swaaye wrote:

They are all SDR.... 😀

Rage 128 was a confusing branding mess. There are different names for retail and OEM cards. Rage 128 Pro Ultra is an OEM card. The Pro Ultra should be fairly similar in speed to the Rage Fury Pro.

Worse, the Pro Ultra doesn't work with ATi drivers, you need the ones from the OEM.

(Or at least, I could never get them working with ATi Drivers...)

You have to start the ATI installer that depacks the driver to a temporary folder, while it waits as it tells it couldn't detect compatible hardware you move the files to an own folder. Then you install the graphics driver manually by forcing the right driver from the list (Have Disk etc.) on the graphics card.
This works.

Alternative: You find the correct OEM CD.
Alternative2: You patch the PCI/VENDOR ID in the inf file.

I think I downloaded a driver from Dell.

noshutdown wrote:

"standard" rage128pro (maybe called xpert128pro): 120/120 high-end version with active cooling fan(probably called rage fury pro […]
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"standard" rage128pro (maybe called xpert128pro): 120/120
high-end version with active cooling fan(probably called rage fury pro): rumored to be 143/143, very rare.
rage fury maxx: dual cores at 125/143
rage128pro ultra: mine reports 133/133 but some others report 118/140.

What is the standard Rage 128 Pro? Haven't seen a card called just like "Rage 128 Pro". I know only one "Pro" Xpert, the 64bit Xpert 2000 Pro with higher memory clock.
Never saw actively cooled 128 Pro in the wild. The Fury was 125/143. Reviewers got actively cooled cards and clock tools reported ~143/155, but that was mistake or dirty play.
From what I've seen the Ultras are mostly 64bit 16 megs versions, but always with synchronous clocks. Can I see yours?

It was a mess. The Ultra was announced so early it looked to me like a first Rage 128 respin (or even shrink) just to include AGP 4x, but did not materialize. Later it became name of the 128 Pro variant.
So far I claim that all 128 bits were Fury, then kinda rare Ultra 128 bit, Xpert 2000 Pro (64 bit PCB) were pretty close in performance, and the 64 bit Ultra could be the slowest, though they have clock variances.

to make it more clear, i'll try to list all variants that i know about:

64bit versions:
xpert2000pro that you mentioned
AIW, clock at 118:140
64bit version of oem ultra, the pcb has space for 4 32bit sdram chips but only 2 soldered.

128bit versions:
"standard" rage128pro, probably named xpert128pro, 4 32bit sdram chips.
rage fury pro, pcb layout is almost the same as xpert128pro, but with active cooling fan and higher clock, like this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-rage- … review,133.html
rage fury maxx, the infamous dual core.
full version of ultra, which has all 4 sdram chips soldered.
there is also a variant that i dunno its name, but it has 4 sgram chips and 16mb in total, and the pcb layout is a bit different from the xpert128pro.

There is a "Rage Fury" and a "Rage Fury Pro". Box shots are in Google images. I imagine one has the Pro chip and the other was the original Rage 128.

noshutdown wrote:

rage fury pro, pcb layout is almost the same as xpert128pro, but with active cooling fan and higher clock, like this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati ... w,133.html

So no proof. Fury Pros on sale did not even had the fan connector, I guess that is yours xpert128pro. Come to think of it, the only distinctive feature of the Fury Pro would then be higher memory clock and the Theater chip. Others are Ultras.

cool thread.

these are the two ATI rage 128 I have and they are both passive cooling.

I believe one is an ATI Rage 128 Pro 32MB and the other one with more chips - ATI Rage 128 VR 32MB.

The VR works great on my Cyrix 5x86. It boots fine on the Pro but its just a bit dodgy - Alt-Ctrl-Del doesn't work...

I have the following R128P's in my collection.
I note here that the specs were taken from Everest Home Edition without videocard drivers being installed.

Rage 128Pro with a 64bit bus, 16MiB SDR-SDRAM, clocked at 129/129MHz
Rage 128Pro with a 128bit bus, 16MiB SDR-SGRAM, clocked at 118/138MHz
Rage 128Pro with a 128bit bus, 32MiB SDR-SDRAM, clocked at 119/119MHz

Pictures can be found here; http://nitrox-infinity.tweakblogs.net/blog/75 … logies-inc.html

There are several Rage 128s up on ebay with a DVI port but I think these were all for Macs. I'm very curious to see if one would work on a PC. The Rage has the best speed/visuals in MechWarrior 2, imo.

Rage128 can't ATICIF.

The Saphire ATI Rage 128 Ultra seems to be 129/129 or (130/130) with 64-bit memory: http://allegro.pl/karta-graficzna-sapphire-ra … 3714822625.html
I can't find any information about the HIS ATI Rage 128 Ultra: http://allegro.pl/karta-graficzna-rage-128-ul … 3650547879.html or maybe it is just a rebadged ATI XPert http://allegro.pl/ati-rage128pro-32mb-120mhz- … 3664338378.html

It looks like I'm another happy (?) owner of ATi Rage 128 Pro Ultra. Yes, it was OEM (videocard+CD+license agreement+manual). And yes, drivers from this CD wasn't installing by default. This is the starting point of my love to ATi programmers...
I will add photos and PCI_ids later...

So I was digging into it, having myself one 128 bit Ultra and two 64 bit. The upper bound for Ultra SKUs seems to be 133/133. The fab code letter on the chip is D instead of U (UMC) of first Rage 128 Pro, but die revision is the same. There is string Rage 128 Pro GL II. What is behind the D?

I've found another version which is marked as Ultra GL at the end. It's marked as AGP ATi Rage 128 Pro Ultra GL 32MB
Again, it's 64-bit version (edit 18.5.2022 - it's not, its 128-bit, GPU-Z have it wrong. In this time, I already have it, exactly this variant, and tested it, HWinfo detected it correct way 128-bit, also benchmarks showed, it is actually common 128-bit Rage 128 pro Ultra variant), with SDRAM, clocked at 130 Mhz.

Type of chipset is marked as "Rage 128 Pro II". Card itself is marked as "Rage 128Pro Ultra SDR 32 MB". Name of the card is detected as "Rage 128 Pro Ultra GL AGP".

Pretty confusing, if one wants 128-bit version, what he should look for. Better to avoid "Ultra" and OEM variants.

The part number looks like a sapphire part, so it isn’t exactly “standard” ATI consumer board.

Looks like a rage 128 ultra chip with reduced cost memory. Probably a bargan bin part that arrived a year or two after radeon had displaced rage at the top of the ATI product line and had a confusing name to try to boost sales by preying on the unwary.

https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/ATI#ATi_Rage_series