Find more P4's to test.. I'd like to know how the V3 scales:)

Doing the Ultimate VGA Benchmarks, in DOS the V3 seems to still be running strong with a P3 1.4g.

Just posting this as a comparison, if you are going to benchmark;
I used to have an Asus P4S533 (SiS 645DX) with 2x 256MiB DDR333 and a Voodoo5 5500 AGP. Got about 2550 point in 3DMark2001se (WinXP).

KEC wrote:

Find more P4's to test.. I'd like to know how the V3 scales:)

Doing the Ultimate VGA Benchmarks, in DOS the V3 seems to still be running strong with a P3 1.4g.

I tried a few CPUs with a Voodoo 3 , a K6-III 450 , a PIII 450 , a PIII 600 and a PIII 700, what I noticed was that there were almost no performance increases past 600Mhz , most games gained one frame at best, compared to 10-15 frames when going from the K6 to the PIII for instance.

I don't think one would see much difference with the P4 as compared to even a Katmai PIII, with the exception of maybe more CPU intensive games

It does depend on the resolution and game. At 640 x 480 you see more scaling. You will also see more scaling with Turok compared to Unreal. So, once again, it depends on the exact game 😀

I have seen 10 fps increases going from a slower P4 to a 3.2 GHz model with Voodoo 2 SLI. So: IT DEPENDS 🤣

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:

It does depend on the resolution and game. At 640 x 480 you see more scaling. You will also see more scaling with Turok compared to Unreal. So, once again, it depends on the exact game 😀

I have seen 10 fps increases going from a slower P4 to a 3.2 GHz model with Voodoo 2 SLI. So: IT DEPENDS 🤣

might be something to do with it, I was running those games at 1024X768 , where the limit for the most part is the Voodoo 3 itself (actually , how many games can a V3 play at above 1024X768 smoothly? from my experience with the exception of maybe Quake and Hexen II , not much)

The plan is more like Mau1wurf was saying, at 640x480 (which should be perfect on my 15inch CRT) it SHOULD have some interesting scaling. Darkman: It is good to know that at 1024x728 a voodoo3 is at it's limits, not to surprising I will have to try it out at both resolutions just to see. Board is still getting repaired but I was wondering, xp would be simple but I really want to run 98se. 512mb enough, should I use the patch and go for 1gb, or is there a way to run the full 3gb with 98se?

512 MB is all you need under W98 SE. Games I tried are Quake, Forsaken, Quake II, Half Life, Unreal, Incoming...

ODwilly wrote:

The plan is more like Mau1wurf was saying, at 640x480 (which should be perfect on my 15inch CRT) it SHOULD have some interesting scaling. Darkman: It is good to know that at 1024x728 a voodoo3 is at it's limits, not to surprising I will have to try it out at both resolutions just to see. Board is still getting repaired but I was wondering, xp would be simple but I really want to run 98se. 512mb enough, should I use the patch and go for 1gb, or is there a way to run the full 3gb with 98se?

oh don't get me wrong, the V3 is capable of resolutions above that, but in anything but the oldest or least demanding games (for instance the Tomb Raider games which are locked anyway at 30fps, Quake 2 was also quite smooth though below 60fps) youre going to be struggling in the mid 40s at best, even less with some of the newer games. Quake 3 I had in 800X600 at medium detail , and the frame rate was hovering around the mid 30s to 40s

also for whatever reason , playing 2D games at 1024X768 (for instance Red Alert 2 , or the Sierra city building games like Zeus and Pharaoh) would cause some severe slowdown which didn't happen with the GF2Ti or V5500

and yes there is no reason to go above 512Mb , remember most of those games need at the very most 128Mb, and the older ones do fine with 32-64Mb, they simply won't see any benefit from much above that , although I use 512Mb on that machine.

I think the first games that really needed 512Mb or more were much later games like Far Cry and Doom3....

It would be fantastic to run with 3gb, only use 512mb for system use and be able to have a 2&1/2gb RAMDISK. I doubt that type of software is available for 98, but man can you imagine? Zero experience with 3dfx cards right now 😒 lots of RAGE running a 32mb RAGE all-in-wonder card for years. In hindsight it is amazing that I used to play online Halo CE with that card and Tribes2 (with terrible artifacts etc.) the cool part was staying up late and watching basic cable on my computer screen and headphones plugged into the cd drive. a v3 back then would have been AMAZING!

You mean a V3 3500 TV? 😀

Don't get the wrong idea though. V3 couldn't have run Tribes 2 much better than the Rage128 (T2 is one bloated unoptimized game), and Halo wouldn't have worked at all since that game was very fussy about some things (like not being able to run in 32-bit color for one).

Haha yes! That would have been sweet. We are actually moving from satellite internet and tv to 55 m/b internet and cable. So I might just have to buy a v3 3500 TV instead of a normal v3. It is amazing how fussy some games can be with hardware. Then you have instances like when I installed Doom 95 on an old Thinkpad 760EL. "your audio driver does not appear compatible with Doom, would you like to install so-in-so game driver?" Sure, thanks for being awesome! 😁

ODwilly wrote:

Haha yes! That would have been sweet. We are actually moving from satellite internet and tv to 55 m/b internet and cable. So I might just have to buy a v3 3500 TV instead of a normal v3. It is amazing how fussy some games can be with hardware. Then you have instances like when I installed Doom 95 on an old Thinkpad 760EL. "your audio driver does not appear compatible with Doom, would you like to install so-in-so game driver?" Sure, thanks for being awesome! 😁

just note the V3500 is a bit less flexible than the standard V3000 since its AGP only, wheres the V3000 also has a PCI version , and it runs the same as the AGP version as the Voodoo cards don't really utilize the benefits of AGP.

maybe not a big deal , but having a PCI V3000 means you can install it on older systems without AGP , or pair it up with a non 3DFX card , in your case for instance it might be worth pairing the V3000 with something like a Geforce3 if the PSU can handle it.

That is a good point to note. Although for pci I think I will hold out for SLI V2's. 3 GPUs in one system is worth the money for the "coolness" factor.

Good news! Picking the board up on Thursday (day before grad) and it now has 8 fresh CPU caps. Pics will come soon along with a dual p3 project.

Alright, Voodoo 3 agp acquired for free. Want me to load 98se up with 512mb of ram for the benchmarks? What benchmarks tools/version do you guys want and I have a 2.4ghz chip to test along with the 2.8ghz chip now.

What version of Voodoo is it? 2000/3000/3500? I've got a Voodoo 3 2000 PCI and a Prescott 3.0Ghz (800FSB) and could test along side so we could get some AGP-PCI results.

P4 deserves a Voodoo4/5 😀

Foey: That would be awesome!It does not say on the card, and have yet to be able to test it. STB systems is the brand. bjt: Agreed on the v4/5 but they are so far out of my budget, this v3 just fell into my lap. This is at a stand still right now, the board will post when on a testbench (cardboard box) but soon as it is mounted in a case the fans twitch. Im going insane in the heat constantly trying to trick it into working. Any advice? It seems like a grounding issue to me. Or maybe it hates my new Antec vp450 watt psu? the testbench has an old 20pin with bad caps.

UPDATE: Ruled out the power supply. It is now 100% confirmed that outside of the case it boots up without issue. So tonight it is getting swapped into another case.