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Reply 27420 of 27847, by appiah4

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konc wrote on 2024-04-25, 11:07:
appiah4 wrote on 2024-04-25, 10:52:
konc wrote on 2024-04-25, 10:18:

Out of curiosity, where do you plan to connect the IDE device since this is just the ROM?

Directly to the motherbaord or to a separate dumb Multi-IO ISA card.

That's exactly what I was thinking, XTs don't have on board IDE and don't take 16-bit ISA cards. Unless this Turbo XT is some modern clone that I'm not aware of, for me it always meant "just faster than 4.77MHz".

That, is a good point. I guess I can only use this on AT and up 😅

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Reply 27421 of 27847, by BitWrangler

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5160s don't have onboard IDE but I have seen a lot of later Turbo XT clones with IDE on board, along with a full whack of i/o and even video. There are also some 8 Bit IDE cards, but they are nowhere near common.

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Reply 27422 of 27847, by appiah4

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-04-25, 14:25:

5160s don't have onboard IDE but I have seen a lot of later Turbo XT clones with IDE on board, along with a full whack of i/o and even video. There are also some 8 Bit IDE cards, but they are nowhere near common.

I have 286 boards with onboard IDE but never owned an XT board with them. You never know, I hunted 286 boards and 5.25 drives for over 5 years only to end up with multiple of them in a few months. Hopefully, I'll come across some 😀

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Reply 27423 of 27847, by H3nrik V!

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Changing heat sinks on a pair of 1GHz P!!!s for my P2B-DS. Apparently i f**ked up :'(

Seems like I was to impatient removing the original Intel heat sink on the one and pinched a corner of the core ...

No POST with that, either alone or with the other one, which boots fine by it self.

Well, at least the 1 GiB of memory I threw in the other day still works as a charm, the same for the 2 667s it had already (all though I havent changed the clock generator to a 133 MHz capable one yet, so only 500 MHz) That POST screen is very enjoyable still 😀

[Edit]: It's not merely dust on the screen, it's physical antiaaliasing 🤣

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Reply 27424 of 27847, by Nexxen

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:04:

Changing heat sinks on a pair of 1GHz P!!!s for my P2B-DS. Apparently i f**ked up :'(

Excuse my astonishment, did you nuke a Slot 1 P!!! 1 GHz?

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Reply 27425 of 27847, by PD2JK

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Crushed the die of an Athlon 700 Slot A Thunderbird last week. I know how it feels. Feels bad.

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Reply 27426 of 27847, by Shponglefan

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This is why I'm terrified to attach a heatsink to any of my PIII Coppermine processors.

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Reply 27427 of 27847, by H3nrik V!

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Nexxen wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:15:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:04:

Changing heat sinks on a pair of 1GHz P!!!s for my P2B-DS. Apparently i f**ked up :'(

Excuse my astonishment, did you nuke a Slot 1 P!!! 1 GHz?

Unfortunately, yes 😫 hating myself for not having that extra bit of patience required to get those pushed-in plastic pins correct out ...

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Reply 27428 of 27847, by Ensign Nemo

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I feel like we could make a thread for all of our oopsies. A couple of years ago I bought a Fujitsu Stylistic Tablet and cracked the screen before I even brought it home. After I picked it up, I noticed that the box I was given didn't have the floppy drive that was mentioned in the ad. To doublecheck, I took the tablet out and left it on my armrest while I dug through the parts in the box. Absentmindedly, I leaned my elbow on the tablet and cracked the screen while digging through the box. I'm still butt hurt over that.

Reply 27429 of 27847, by H3nrik V!

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Shponglefan wrote on 2024-04-25, 21:06:

This is why I'm terrified to attach a heatsink to any of my PIII Coppermine processors.

The thing is - I remembered them more sturdy, but apparently no. Probably tilted the heat sink too much in the process. Stupid thing is that I did it to get an easier to remove heat sink on it (and bigger to fit my 120mm to dual slot 1 fan adapter)

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Reply 27430 of 27847, by Nexxen

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-04-25, 21:07:
Nexxen wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:15:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:04:

Changing heat sinks on a pair of 1GHz P!!!s for my P2B-DS. Apparently i f**ked up :'(

Excuse my astonishment, did you nuke a Slot 1 P!!! 1 GHz?

Unfortunately, yes 😫 hating myself for not having that extra bit of patience required to get those pushed-in plastic pins correct out ...

Dude, I'm hurting almost as much as you are.

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Reply 27431 of 27847, by zuldan

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Upgraded my GA-5AA rev 3.2 from a K6-2 500 to a K6-2 500+

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Reply 27432 of 27847, by konc

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-04-25, 14:25:

5160s don't have onboard IDE but I have seen a lot of later Turbo XT clones with IDE on board, along with a full whack of i/o and even video. There are also some 8 Bit IDE cards, but they are nowhere near common.

You've seen a lot of XTs with on-board IDE? Could you share some of them? Integrated COMs/LPT/floppy/video yes, it's not uncommon.

Reply 27433 of 27847, by H3nrik V!

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Nexxen wrote on 2024-04-25, 21:30:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-04-25, 21:07:
Nexxen wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:15:

Excuse my astonishment, did you nuke a Slot 1 P!!! 1 GHz?

Unfortunately, yes 😫 hating myself for not having that extra bit of patience required to get those pushed-in plastic pins correct out ...

Dude, I'm hurting almost as much as you are.

Thanks, at least I got it at a reasonable price (bought 2 800EBs for the heatsinks and the 1000/100 for a total of DKK 300 ~ US$45) but still ... :'(

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Reply 27434 of 27847, by kaiser77_1982

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This is not retroPC 100%, but I am very busy this month reading about bubble dotcom. I am freak out with this: https://www.amazon.es/Fd-Companies-Spectacula … 7939/ref=sr_1_1

The funniest thing is that all the great applications or websites have already been tested there.

Reply 27435 of 27847, by PTherapist

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appiah4 wrote on 2024-04-25, 11:53:
konc wrote on 2024-04-25, 11:07:
appiah4 wrote on 2024-04-25, 10:52:

Directly to the motherbaord or to a separate dumb Multi-IO ISA card.

That's exactly what I was thinking, XTs don't have on board IDE and don't take 16-bit ISA cards. Unless this Turbo XT is some modern clone that I'm not aware of, for me it always meant "just faster than 4.77MHz".

That, is a good point. I guess I can only use this on AT and up 😅

You can get away with a 16-bit I/O controller on an XT if the plan is to use a CompactFlash card rather than an IDE HDD.

I've got a 16-bit I/O controller in my XT 5160, with a CF-IDE adapter and it works fine. Setting it up can be hit and miss though, I tried 3 different I/O controllers, 2 of them worked and the other didn't. Then it's also picky with what CompactFlash cards it will support, I stuck with several lower capacity cards and it wouldn't work with a 64MB card but did work fine with both a 128MB & a 256MB.

Reply 27436 of 27847, by Kahenraz

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:04:

Changing heat sinks on a pair of 1GHz P!!!s for my P2B-DS. Apparently i f**ked up :'(

I damaged some of the ceramic capacitors on a Slot 1 Pentium 3 when removing the stock heatsink. Look closely to see if there is any damage to these components, as this is repairable.

What value SMD capacitors to repair this Slot 1 Pentium 3 CPU?

Reply 27437 of 27847, by BitWrangler

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konc wrote on 2024-04-26, 06:34:
BitWrangler wrote on 2024-04-25, 14:25:

5160s don't have onboard IDE but I have seen a lot of later Turbo XT clones with IDE on board, along with a full whack of i/o and even video. There are also some 8 Bit IDE cards, but they are nowhere near common.

You've seen a lot of XTs with on-board IDE? Could you share some of them? Integrated COMs/LPT/floppy/video yes, it's not uncommon.

I guess it felt like a "lot" early 90s when 386 was entry level in the first world and there were still newly built XT boards/systems that some importers were desperately trying to sell at bargain basement prices when they were competing with 10 years worth of used systems that everyone else was dumping to get 386 and 486.

There are about 20 boards that are easy to pull up on retroweb by specifying IDE and 8088, 8086, 80186, but it still feels like there are a bunch missing, they are maybe on there, but have V30, V40 etc and hard to arrange the right allowed search terms to pop them out. I am thinking there are a few unique ones when you search IDE and various numbers of 8 bit slots but as that number of slots gets low there is more "pollution" from 2/3/486 boards.

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Reply 27438 of 27847, by konc

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-04-26, 14:15:
konc wrote on 2024-04-26, 06:34:
BitWrangler wrote on 2024-04-25, 14:25:

5160s don't have onboard IDE but I have seen a lot of later Turbo XT clones with IDE on board, along with a full whack of i/o and even video. There are also some 8 Bit IDE cards, but they are nowhere near common.

You've seen a lot of XTs with on-board IDE? Could you share some of them? Integrated COMs/LPT/floppy/video yes, it's not uncommon.

I guess it felt like a "lot" early 90s when 386 was entry level in the first world and there were still newly built XT boards/systems that some importers were desperately trying to sell at bargain basement prices when they were competing with 10 years worth of used systems that everyone else was dumping to get 386 and 486.

There are about 20 boards that are easy to pull up on retroweb by specifying IDE and 8088, 8086, 80186, but it still feels like there are a bunch missing, they are maybe on there, but have V30, V40 etc and hard to arrange the right allowed search terms to pop them out. I am thinking there are a few unique ones when you search IDE and various numbers of 8 bit slots but as that number of slots gets low there is more "pollution" from 2/3/486 boards.

I had a look at theretroweb and I see what you mean now, all of these have the 8-bit IDE/XTA (of course, how could they possibly have ATA). You are right then, those do exist but I don't think that's what appiah4 had in mind with his ROM card.

Reply 27439 of 27847, by H3nrik V!

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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-04-26, 09:54:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-04-25, 20:04:

Changing heat sinks on a pair of 1GHz P!!!s for my P2B-DS. Apparently i f**ked up :'(

I damaged some of the ceramic capacitors on a Slot 1 Pentium 3 when removing the stock heatsink. Look closely to see if there is any damage to these components, as this is repairable.

What value SMD capacitors to repair this Slot 1 Pentium 3 CPU?

Good point, I'll definitely double check that, thanks! However, the core is visually cracked, so not getting my hopes up too much ... 😉

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