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Reply 12920 of 22090, by jaZz_KCS

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Linux would work. Make sure you have enough RAM for the laptop as Linux is x86_64 these days.

Linux works, I had installed and used elementaryOS before I returned it to my dad. But needs Windows, his motorcycle apps are for Windows. So he ended installing Windows Vista *facepalm*, which was the OS shipped with the device, even though I warned him to try XP or 7, but he is stubborn like me (like father, like son). I even tried to convince him to remove the bloatware that comes with HP after he did a factory restore and to switch to classic theme (thus deactivating Aero theme) for a better performance, but he’s stubborn. Oh dear...

Disabling Aero on Vista & 7 actually degrades performance as it switches the GUI rendering from the graphics card and onto your CPU instead and you'd notice things like bad tearing on 3D gaming & video playback. The amount of RAM freed by disabling Aero is negligible too.

Very interesting. I would love to see some hard numbers of comparison.

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Reply 12921 of 22090, by derSammler

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Disabling Aero on Vista & 7 actually degrades performance as it switches the GUI rendering from the graphics card and onto your CPU instead and you'd notice things like bad tearing on 3D gaming & video playback.

I highly doubt that this is true. Yes, no Aero means that the CPU has to draw the screen, but you also lose all of the heavy GUI features like Aero Peak, transparency, etc. and it will still use the 2D acceleration of the graphics card (the blitter, that is). So the CPU won't have that much to do. On slower Intel chipsets with integrated graphics, Aero was often disabled by default, because the GPU was to slow for it. That of course means that the CPU renders non-Aero faster.

Reply 12922 of 22090, by McBierle

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Lately i made vacation in non-x86 space. I got myself my first ever Amiga 500 (never had one) and i got an Amstrad CPC464.
I finished recapping the psu and the amigaboard and i'm happy everthing is still working. 😁
Next i got myself a DDI-4 interface so i can use a normal 3,5" floppy drive, and i'm again happy as it is working. Time to play my first games i remember; Tau Ceti, Ikari, and so on...

Reply 12923 of 22090, by PTherapist

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derSammler wrote:
PTherapist wrote:

Disabling Aero on Vista & 7 actually degrades performance as it switches the GUI rendering from the graphics card and onto your CPU instead and you'd notice things like bad tearing on 3D gaming & video playback.

I highly doubt that this is true. Yes, no Aero means that the CPU has to draw the screen, but you also lose all of the heavy GUI features like Aero Peak, transparency, etc. and it will still use the 2D acceleration of the graphics card (the blitter, that is). So the CPU won't have that much to do. On slower Intel chipsets with integrated graphics, Aero was often disabled by default, because the GPU was to slow for it. That of course means that the CPU renders non-Aero faster.

Try it and see. It's quite a well known issue and even if you don't spot the difference in performance, you will certainly experience terrible tearing in many games, emulators & all video playback with Aero switched off. Some programs/games prefer Aero off to function correctly, as such it's much better to leave it on and where necessary turn it off on a per-program basis via Compatibility options.

Reply 12924 of 22090, by rick6

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Just got this somewhat rare (i think) Voodoo 3 PCI in the mail from ebay.

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IT DOESN'T WORK. I'm mad now -__-

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Reply 12925 of 22090, by Thermalwrong

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Today I did some more retrobrighting with bleach gel.

My cheap Bose MediaMate speakers started off like this, with strange brown marks around the volume wheel:

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Ended up like this, much nicer - the colour change ended up very consistent:

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There's some broken plastic in the corner but it was like that before - I found that I really can not open up these without causing more serious damage to them. Fixing the paint on the speaker grilles will not be easy. I'll probably mask those off and just hope that the grilles catch the paint before it hits the speaker.

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Learning from last week's brightening up on the tanned Roland SC-7, I did this to get them to this shade consistently:
1. Clean everything with soap and water carefully
2. Brush on 40% bleach gel over the whole thing except for the surfaces that don't get seen, like the underside and the back. I put a rubber cover onto the headphone port so it didn't get bleached.
3. Using the speaker grilles as a handle and gloves to avoid getting any bleach gel on my hands. I burnt myself much less this time 😀
4. Put cling film / saran wrap over everything, not airtight, not pressing it at all, it's only on there to stop the gel drying out in the sun
5. Place the speakers on the balcony in bright sunlight
6. After an hour, take them in, carefully put the cling film aside so it can be re-used. Wipe off the bleach gel. Brush on a fresh layer of bleach gel. Carefully replace the cling film.
7. Repeat steps 5 and 6 a few times (5 hours in my case)
8. When done, clean off the bleach gel with soap & water

edit: I've also been having a go with these older Bose speakers - they're quite nice.
The newer Bose Companion 2 MkII speakers that they're sitting next to seem to do some audio processing, which really amps up the bass to the point where a lot of games don't sound right at all, though they do make FM/Adlib music sound awesome. These MediaMate speakers seem to be a bit simpler and sound more normal in games.

Reply 12926 of 22090, by xjas

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rick6 wrote:
Just got this somewhat rare (i think) Voodoo 3 PCI in the mail from ebay. […]
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Just got this somewhat rare (i think) Voodoo 3 PCI in the mail from ebay.

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IT DOESN'T WORK. I'm mad now -__-

What the hell? Is that even a legit 3DFX card? It doesn't look anything like either of my V3s. The "3DFX" mark seems to be in Comic Sans and I've never seen that Voodoo 3 logo before either. I thought most Voodoo3s were dual 3.3V/5V PCI cards.

Since it doesn't work anyway, pop that fan off & see what chip is actually underneath. I'm wondering if it's some unofficial product using salvaged chips or something, or even a fake.

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Reply 12927 of 22090, by JidaiGeki

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xjas wrote:
rick6 wrote:
Just got this somewhat rare (i think) Voodoo 3 PCI in the mail from ebay. […]
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Just got this somewhat rare (i think) Voodoo 3 PCI in the mail from ebay.

file.php?id=68378&mode=view

IT DOESN'T WORK. I'm mad now -__-

What the hell? Is that even a legit 3DFX card? It doesn't look anything like either of my V3s. The "3DFX" mark seems to be in Comic Sans and I've never seen that Voodoo 3 logo before either. I thought most Voodoo3s were dual 3.3V/5V PCI cards.

Since it doesn't work anyway, pop that fan off & see what chip is actually underneath. I'm wondering if it's some unofficial product using salvaged chips or something, or even a fake.

Looks like a Powercolor Evilking 3 - http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item/ … x-voodoo-3-3000

Reply 12928 of 22090, by Duouk2000

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Dug out my old NIC to connect my 98SE PC to the net and browse Vogons while downloading old demos and listening to RPGN Radio via Winamp. I was reminded that John Romero created some new DOOM levels so I grabbed the wad from https://www.romerogames.ie/si6il while I was at it.

It's been a chill weekend 😀

Reply 12930 of 22090, by Deksor

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I made a pretty cool discovery while tinkering with my pcchips M912 and a AM486 DX4 SV8B ...
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One of them is a fake DX4 (but it's not bad at all 😁) Can you spot which one is the fake one ? 😜

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Reply 12932 of 22090, by Turbo ->

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Updated my Windows 98/DOS computer:
- removed a PCI S3 Virge VGA card and installed a Voodoo 3 1000 Velocity AGP 2x 8Mb card (also placed a new 4cm Akasa fan on it's heatsink),
- removed some PCI Sound card (the chip says Creative ES1373), and installed an ISA CT4520 AWE64 sound card.

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Reply 12933 of 22090, by Caluser2000

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Install Debian 8 Jessie, which was released in 2015 and still current with LTS EOL mid next year, on my P166MMX test rig and installed a few bits n boobs. Who said you can't install a current OS on old kit and browse the web on a modern web browser?

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There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 12934 of 22090, by looking4awayout

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Caluser2000 wrote:

Install Debian 8 Jessie, which was released in 2015 and still current with LTS EOL mid next year, on my P166MMX test rig and installed a few bits n boobs. Who said you can't install a current OS on old kit and browse the web on a modern web browser?

Wow, that is amazing! How fast is web browsing on that machine? What about scrolling speed?

My Retro Daily Driver: Pentium !!!-S 1.7GHz | 2GB PC166 ECC SDRAM | Gecube Radeon X1950 Pro 256MB OC | 128GB Lite-On SSD + 500GB WD Blue SSD | Creative Sound Blaster Live! CT4620 | Windows XP Professional SP3

Reply 12935 of 22090, by Caluser2000

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Lets just say as fast as can be expected on something that old. Funny thing is all the applications, failing the likes of KDE and Gnome, I've tested are no slower than their equivalents were in 1999 on the same system.

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Jessie uses a 3.16 kernel. I think the latest is 5 with a lot of legacy stuff being dropped. I was curious how far I could go on this P166MMX set up. Around 2010-11 support for the older SiS video chipsets were dropped so tossed in a S3Virge/DX video card and problem sorted. USB 2.0 works without any issue. New USB drives are instantly shown up on the desktop if it is supported. Modern encryption covered. HTTPS support. As you can guess I was presently surprised with the out come.

Funny thing was Firefox-ESR crashed right of the bat so knew to avoid anything based on that. Opted for Gnomes Epiphany browser in the mean time until I track down something a bit snappier. It was in the Jessie repos so no need to download from a 3rd party site.

The next stage of testing will be wifi and I'm betting it will work with no problems at all.

So my advice is if you want to give Linux on old kit, by that I mean pentium one era, a shot or maybe tinker a bit with a *nix workalike, shoot for the sky. The thinking that only old linux distros are capable of running on old kit is a load of horsesh*t.

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There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 12937 of 22090, by Caluser2000

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Thanks for the correction. But doesn't seem quite right wrt i386/i686. i386 arch seems to be supported up to Buster:

Looks like Devuan ASCII with the 4.9 kernel has ports for those archs https://devuan.org/os/

Stretch with 4.1 kernel supports them as well. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch

So does Buster https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster

Oh and look at all these kernals available for i686s.

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There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉

Reply 12938 of 22090, by Disruptor

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Deksor wrote:
I made a pretty cool discovery while tinkering with my pcchips M912 and a AM486 DX4 SV8B ... http://i.imgur.com/qhu0CDLl.jpg One […]
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I made a pretty cool discovery while tinkering with my pcchips M912 and a AM486 DX4 SV8B ...
qhu0CDLl.jpg
One of them is a fake DX4 (but it's not bad at all 😁) Can you spot which one is the fake one ? 😜

I guess, it's the right one. I at least miss the space between 3 and VOLT.

Reply 12939 of 22090, by Deksor

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Great, you've found it ! Actually this chip is a better chip disguised as a DX4 SV8B

I made a sticker for it :
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Yeah it's a 5x86 actually ! I discovered it when I ran speedsys on that chip. During the memory test I noticed the L1 cache was 16kb instead of the advertised 8. So I was wondering if that chip wasn't hiding deeper secrets so I installed a jumper on the motherboard for 4x multiplier is and it posted as "Am5x86" 😁
It seems to work perfectly as a 5x86 at 133MHz so I'm quite happy with that 😀

I knew AMD was hiding better chips as slower ones because I have a DX2-80SV8B that's actually a DX4, but I didn't expect that still, I'm glad I tested it 😁

Who knows what my other AMD 486s might be hiding ? 😁

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