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First post, by King_Corduroy

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Hi guys, I have an IBM PS/2 Model 50z and I was wondering how difficult is it to install a soundcard in a machine like this? It's running DOS 5.0 and while I'm Pretty knowledgeable about old Computers in general most of my experience has been with Windows 3.1, 95 and 98. I know how to navigate DOS and edit files and stuff but like I said I've never installed a card on a DOS machine (mainly because in the past the only DOS machine I had was a PCjr).

I have a fistful of Sound Blaster 16 Cards and I was wondering if I could use one of them and where I could find the drivers for those if I need them to install to DOS (again I have no idea, windows usually detects the SB1t6 right off).

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Reply 1 of 20, by Scali

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The biggest problem with PS/2 systems is that they use the MCA expansion bus, which is not compatible with the ISA bus.
So you'd need specific MCA-versions of Sound Blasters or other sound cards. Sadly, these are rare and expensive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster#S … r_MCV.2C_CT5320

Drivers for early sound cards are generally not required. You configure the SB or compatible card with jumpers to specific base address, IRQ and DMA (normally 220h, 7 and 1 respectively), and then optionally add a SET BLASTER=... environment variable to your autoexec.bat.
I believe the MCA-version doesn't even need jumpers for that, because MCA features some early form of auto-config.
That's basically it, as far as DOS goes.
Most games/demos will auto-detect the card anyway, or have some kind of SETUP.EXE or INSTALL.EXE included to configure the software for your sound device.

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Reply 2 of 20, by Sutekh94

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What Scali said. MCA sound cards in general are very uncommon, and expect to pay a good amount of $$$ if you want one. I found a list of some of the more popular MCA sound cards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_a … ure#Sound_cards

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Reply 3 of 20, by Caluser2000

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Scali wrote:

The biggest problem with PS/2 systems is that they use the MCA expansion bus, which is not compatible with the ISA bus.

Not all PS/2 systems are MCA though. The OPS certainly is. There are ISA XT bus and AT ISA bus models as well in the PS/2 line up.

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Reply 5 of 20, by Caluser2000

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King_Corduroy wrote:

Well fuck...

A quick google search would given you all the info you need about MCA sound cards and also set up MCA kit.

From a techical view point they are interesting though.Would own one myself.

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Reply 7 of 20, by Caluser2000

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Because you haven't bothered to do prior research before aquiring the machine?

Enjoy it for what it is, an OEM IBM MCA product with limited expandibility.Use a generic clone to do real stuff...

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Reply 8 of 20, by alexanrs

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King_Corduroy wrote:

Well fuck...

I wouldn't be surprised if that was what people thought back then when they realised none of their prior expansion boards would work on those machines =/
I recall at least one member mentioning that the MCA Sound Blaster had somewhat bettter SnR than their ISA counterparts due to the better grounding of the bus... so if you ever come across one of those cards you might as well enjoy it.

Reply 9 of 20, by King_Corduroy

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Caluser2000 wrote:

Because you haven't bothered to do prior research before aquiring the machine?

Enjoy it for what it is, an OEM IBM MCA product with limited expandibility.Use a generic clone to do real stuff...

Hey dude, it was 15 bucks and was about to be scrapped so take it down a notch. Not everyone is glued at the hip to a cellphone and I'm sure as hell not "acquiring" computers off the internet so it was very much a buy it or don't thing and I sure as fuck wasn't going to leave it there. I have PLENTY of other computers to use for my general gaming needs I just thought it would be cool to put a real sound card in this computer also. I am naturally feeling a bit disappointed that I cannot do so, which I would think could be something most people could understand. Especially on this forum. It does not however mean I don't like the IBM PS/2 Model 50z system (systems actually I have two), this thing has a permanent home in my computer collection.

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Reply 10 of 20, by Caluser2000

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As mentioned earlier if you did a quick search http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_50z/ You certainly would have found it wasn't ISA compatible. Looks like there's a possible upgrade path as well.

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Reply 12 of 20, by soviet conscript

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The M-ACPA/A sound card used to be a somewhat easier to find and cheaper MCA card though I don't know about these days. Of course that card IS NOT Sound Blaster compatible so games sound really bizarre and off on it but I guess it may be better then nothing.

Reply 13 of 20, by Skyscraper

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Buy this system, loot the MCA Soundblaster, sell the system... profit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-IBM-PS-2-Persona … =item5b165f15ad

I would keep the whole thing intact though.

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Reply 14 of 20, by Scali

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I think the fact that this is not your random PC clone, but IBM's attempt at a 'next-gen' PC makes it all the more interesting.
PS/2s also were meant to run OS/2 rather than DOS, and the whole system was quite a bit more advanced than the average DOS-based clones that were being sold back then. MCA can be seen as a precursor to PCI, already offering automatic configuration, and delivering more bandwidth than ISA (32-bit, 10 MHz, and none of the headaches that you got with early VLB).
And as we all know, PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports were adopted by clones later, and have only recently been replaced by USB.
If I hadn't had an Amiga back in the day, I might have actually called the PS/2 'ahead of its time', but heh.

I think a decent PS/2 system with a dualboot OS/2 and DOS installation and a good sound card (probably one of the Sound Blasters) would make for a very interesting 'best of both worlds' machine, capable of all the usual stuff that clones were, but also of some stuff that clones were NOT capable of.

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Reply 16 of 20, by Sutekh94

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soviet conscript wrote:

That's actually a LAN card.

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Reply 18 of 20, by Scali

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PeterLI wrote:

FYI: OS/2 will run fine on ISA / PCI / VLB systems (granted VGA / NIC et cetera have drivers for it).

Actually, OS/2 Warp didn't work on my Am486DX2-66.
When I swapped the CPU with a real Intel, it did work. Not sure what OS/2 does exactly, but it's the only piece of software that I ever encountered, that didn't work on the AMD.

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Reply 19 of 20, by Dropcik

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkk0YW_qd-Y
VWestlifes video on the IBM M-ACPA sound card, There's on from Pakistan for $87 and $38 shipping. Its half the price of other MCA sound cards
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rexon-Tecmar-IBM-M-AC … d-/221766870990

Ayy LMAO