A pentium 60 is not able to unleash the whole potential of a voodoo 1. I would suggest a Pentium 133 for optimal performance.
I would go for a Voodoo Rush, it also saves you a pci slot for some other card.
The performance of both cards should be similiar when paired with a Pentium 60 😀

Alright thanks! I still need to do the RTC mod on my Dallas chip, but otherwise my p60 is all together and ready to have an OS installed onto it 😀 should be a fun platform to play around with.

Would a PowerVR be usefull in a P60 then?
Those early P60/66's was special in so many ways.
Remember them going on the market back then.
Everybody wanted them and nobody had the money.

Unfortunately the PowerVR cards also need a beefy cpu to "take off" 😀

It was my understanding that the Voodoo Rush is notoriously incompatible and useless.

As always: why don't you just decide what you're going to play on this Pentium 60, and then pick a video card depending on what you need? It seems to me there's no Glide game that would not run much, much better on a faster system.

Mostly because I have a rather useless Voodoo rush to play around with and am kind of trying to find a use for it. The P60 is kind of a novelty right now. Nobody I knew ever had the money for one growing up, everything was either a low-end 486 when I was younger, a Slot 1 machine or a low-end usually OEM p4 with nothing inbetween. It seems like everybody I knew skipped many generations and waited until their machine was dog slow or dying to upgrade.

Keep in mind that the v2 can make good use from a faster cpu but compared to a voodoo1 it is less cpu dependant, so it will be faster no matter what. I think it will keep up with a p75 +voodoo1.

But I would put in the banshee as it is underperforming (as is the p60 🤣 ). Throw some other slow things in there too like a Quantum bigfoot harddisk. Top it off with a crystal isa soundcard 😎

Remember if it is the alliance based voodoo rush that some drivers clock the 2d chip to high. In windows registry set the alliance clock to 60mhz (from 72mhz) if it artifacts. 3d clocks are fine.

I don't think 3D consumer cards existed around the release of the P60. You may be aiming for the wrong decade of games. I'd probably use a P60 to play Tie-Fighter and such.

Early games like Quake should be barely playable. This is more of a fun exercise of seeing just how much you can squeeze out of an early Pentium. Later on it may end up with a WD Paradise ARK1000 pci card that would be period correct and less ram and all that as a kinda fast 486 replacement. But once the solder work is done it will begin as a platform to just tinker and play with. Pushing something to play 3D games that came out in a time when 3D games were not even out is just part of the fun 😀 kinda like the guys trying to play Quake on Overclocked 5x86's

This VLB card is from 1995 - would be perfect 😎

Pentium 60 was really a 1993/94 thing. If you really want to be period correct you should put in an S3 864/964, ATi Mach 32/64, Weitek Power 9000 or Tseng ET4000W32P. As far as I can remember, ARK didn't really show up until 1995 (despite the cards having a 94 copyright on the BIOS chips).

I would just go ahead and use the Rush, you might want to use a pci ide or sata card given how poor the onboard controller is. I got a Rush myself and its ok until you want to run something that uses the 2D side. The 2D side is just horrible and the real reason why the card was never popular.

The Voodoo2 is without a doubt more than overkill for this classic cpu. I remember having one in my Vobis P60 for experimenting how the system would behave - wandering through the corridors of (GL)Quake in amazement.
Could you post some inside shots of your system and cpu - the Pentium60 is my all time favorite chip since I got to experience DoomII on it.

In my experience, even a basic 3D card like the Mystique should only be paired with a P133 minimum. I saw a significant boost when using my 4MB VooDoo PCI going from said P133 to P200 vanilla, Forsaken framerates went up almost 50% and Myth was actually playable. Also swapping out the VooDoo for a VooDoo 2 did almost nothing in a great deal of games. The P200 just couldn't push the VooDoo 2 at all. Total waste of money. The only bonus was 800x600 ran as fast on the VooDoo 2 as the 640x480 did on the VooDoo 1. Testing the VooDoo 2 in a P2-266 however and it was a totally different story.

VooDoo 1 - P166 makes sense
VooDoo 2 - P2-266 or higher

VooDoo 3's seemed to relinquish the bottleneck of the CPU's more.

But a Pentium 60 shouldn't really have a 3D card. I mean that's basically a very nice DOS machine up to around mid 1995.

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This VLB card is from 1995 - would be perfect 😎

That seems to be the PCI version, not the VLB version. 😀

Here are some pics! Work in progress, but I got both the motherboard and cpu as-is for parts. Just waiting for a Dallas RTC mod right now, neighbor just bought a brand new 25watt Weller after his 30 year old one died last month so should be getting it done soon 😀

Very nice!
It's funny how big the main-boards were - is there a jumper to change the frequency from 60 to 66?
I love the classic Pentium as it was my machine to delve into Doom and the amazing articles of Michael Abrash... which helped intensify this fascination.
Is the cooler directly glued onto the chip? It would be cool to know if you've got a ceramic or a gold top one.

Definitely looking forward to some benchmarks once the thing is complete.

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Very nice!
It's funny how big the main-boards were - is there a jumper to change the frequency from 60 to 66?
I love the classic Pentium as it was my machine to delve into Doom and the amazing articles of Michael Abrash... which helped intensify this fascination.
Is the cooler directly glued onto the chip? It would be cool to know if you've got a ceramic or a gold top one.

Definitely looking forward to some benchmarks once the thing is complete.

I used Arctic Ceramique 2 and a dab of super glue on each corner of the heat spreader. And it is indeed a gold topped Pentium with the FDIV bug even according to cpu-world! Not 100% sure of the jumper but I would imagine so 😀 at some point I want to test it out and see if it will run at 66 mhz.

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I would just go ahead and use the Rush, you might want to use a pci ide or sata card given how poor the onboard controller is. I got a Rush myself and its ok until you want to run something that uses the 2D side. The 2D side is just horrible and the real reason why the card was never popular.

I have the the version that uses Alliance Promotion 2D chip and I love it. Only issues I've had with it is in commander keen (correctable by enabling svga mode in the game's menu), and the chip is just a tad slower than an S3 Trio64 in 2D. I've only had issues with the 3D part - most Voodoo 1 games only work on the voodoo 1, and the Rush is quite a bit slower than a Voodoo 2 or a Banshee, the latter of witch has great 2D.