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So here are some pictures, and the model is a etower 300k. The board is a DELHI-II 586-0429, on-board ATI rage video card, 256mb ram max, 2 pci, 2 isa,

and the Socket 7. So I have already looked at spec sheets and can't seem to determine for certain if this is a Super Socket 7, and if it supports the "+" series K

processors. I know it will support all K6-2 and k6-3 processors. I want to jump on a processor, that is, or if not similar to the AMD-K6-2/550, which from what

I see is a very good processor, if you clock it down to 500MHz so it remains stable. So, what do you guys think? Maybe some SLI video cards going on ^__^?

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Reply 1 of 19, by PCBONEZ

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In a quick look I did not find a DELHI-II.
Are you sure it's not a DELHI-III ?
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What are the exact model numbers on the VIA chipset chips?
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The DELHI-III manual states it supports a 2.0v Vcore and 100MHz FSB.
If there is a DELHI-II it may not.
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Reply 4 of 19, by idspispopd

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I suppose that should say DELHI-III?
According to http://www.interloper.com/products/product-de … =106987&cat=399 is has a VIA MVP3 chipset and 100MHz FSB support so I'd say SS7. It should work with all K6-2, also K6-3 (if the voltage regulators are OK). No idea about the + models. Are there any settings silkscreened regarding voltage?

Reply 5 of 19, by x_86

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it does say DELHI-III, and that looks like the board from the picture. Judging by this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Socket_7 , if you read the first paragraph this indeed should be a Super Socket 7, in which supports up to 2.4v. Still, nothing about the "+" versions. I also don't see anything printed on the board about voltage settings. There are a few jumpers around the main socket though.

Reply 7 of 19, by ODwilly

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You could use the Rage onboard as a 2D card and fill the two pci slots with a pair of Voodoo2's. Then ditch the onboard Crystal audio for an Awe32/64 or a Soundblaster16. Which would leave one ISA slot free for a LAN card or something. Overall a neat and clean looking little Emachine.

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Reply 8 of 19, by PCBONEZ

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I have the manual for the DELHI-III.
It specifies the max K6-2 as 350MHz but the board may have been released before the faster K6-2's were available.
A newer than original BIOS may be needed to support faster K6-2's but other than that it should work.
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Reply 9 of 19, by x_86

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ODwilly wrote:

You could use the Rage onboard as a 2D card and fill the two pci slots with a pair of Voodoo2's.

My thoughts exactly, isn't there a pci version of the voodoo3?

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I have the manual for the DELHI-III.
It specifies the max K6-2 as 350MHz but the board may have been relea

Thank you very much for the document and your input. If you look on page 9, you will see some text about all the different voltages that are supported and that they can be adjusted. So I suspect that you're correct and I can most likely do the processors I'm interested in with some tweaking. Also, how do you feel about the RAM options for this motherboard. Would it be worth going with ECC over non-ECC, because the board does support both.

Reply 11 of 19, by ODwilly

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Yep there is a pci Voodoo3! Which would free up a pci slot vs the SLI Voodoo 2's.

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Reply 13 of 19, by idspispopd

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ODwilly wrote:

You could use the Rage onboard as a 2D card and fill the two pci slots with a pair of Voodoo2's. Then ditch the onboard Crystal audio for an Awe32/64 or a Soundblaster16. Which would leave one ISA slot free for a LAN card or something. Overall a neat and clean looking little Emachine.

For SLI a faster CPU might be preferable, although at 1024x768 the Voodoos are only slightly hold back by a very fast K6-3+. See Phil's report
Same holds true for Voodoo3 PCI. Also, those are much harder to get than Voodoo3 AGP.
The Onboard Crystal might not be too bad, I would try that first.
Regarding the slots: One ISA and one PCI seem to be shared, I suppose you can't fit more than three cards in total.
The onboard Rage IIc is not too bad for 2D, but useless in 3D.

Regarding the voltage: The manual indeed says you can go down to 2.0V, but only specifies the settings down to 2.2V. Comparing the datasheet for SC1152 to the manual I'd say 2.0V should be off-off-off-off and 2.1V should be on-off-off-off.
I suppose you won't have BIOS support for the + CPUs but you should be able to work around that with some tools.

Reply 14 of 19, by PCBONEZ

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x_86 wrote:

Would it be worth going with ECC over non-ECC, because the board does support both.

Personally I choose non-ECC when a board can take either one.
Never noticed any 'humanly perceivable' difference and some boards are persnickety about what ECC they are happy with.
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Reply 15 of 19, by johnnynismo

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I just picked up one of these at Goodwill for $5 today. I was looking for a Super Socket 7 and it seems the gamble payed off. I have a 233MMX, a K6-2 300, and K6-2 500 to try out in it. It's a shame it doesn't have an actual AGP slot but I ain't mad for $5.

PCBONEZ, thanks for the manual!

Reply 16 of 19, by brostenen

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Change the PSU for a good one, then get V2-SLI, install an K6-III-400 (if plus is not to be found) and finally install an AWE64-Gold.
I think that would be a lot cheaper than V3-Pci and AWE32 (one of the OPL-3 model's)

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Reply 17 of 19, by Tetrium

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PCBONEZ wrote:
I have the manual for the DELHI-III. It specifies the max K6-2 as 350MHz but the board may have been released before the faster […]
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I have the manual for the DELHI-III.
It specifies the max K6-2 as 350MHz but the board may have been released before the faster K6-2's were available.
A newer than original BIOS may be needed to support faster K6-2's but other than that it should work.
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I will attach.
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If it has undocumented jumper settings, it should be fairly easy to figure out which ones are the other voltages (supplied to the CPU).

Many SS7 boards have jumpers for the CPU voltage which behave like this:
The CPU starts with 3.3v
Jumper 1 subtracts 0.8v
Jumper 2 subtracts 0.4v
Jumper 3 subtracts 0.2v
Jumper 4 subtracts 0.1v

It's basically a little math puzzle, but I don't have Word installed so if I open it, it's just all gibberish. If anyone would be friendly enough to post all of the known jumper settings along with the given CPU voltages, I can figure out the rest of the puzzle if nobody else feels like bothering 😀

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Reply 18 of 19, by Skyscraper

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In my experience some boards behave almost like the example above but with 3.5V as the max voltage.

Minimum voltage with the table above is 1.8V but some boards only go down to 2V but the jumpers behave more or less the same.

No jumpers = 2.0V
Jumper 1 (or 4 on some boards) adds 0.1V
Jumper 2 (or 3 on some boards) adds 0.2V
Jumper 3 (or 2 on some boards) adds 0.4V
Jumper 4 (or 1 on some boards) adds 0.8V

In this case the max voltage is 3.5V.

This may not be relevant to the thread 😀

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Reply 19 of 19, by Tetrium

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Skyscraper wrote:
In my experience some boards behave almost like the example above but with 3.5V as the max voltage. […]
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In my experience some boards behave almost like the example above but with 3.5V as the max voltage.

Minimum voltage with the table above is 1.8V but some boards only go down to 2V but the jumpers behave more or less the same.

No jumpers = 2.0V
Jumper 1 (or 4 on some boards) adds 0.1V
Jumper 2 (or 3 on some boards) adds 0.2V
Jumper 3 (or 2 on some boards) adds 0.4V
Jumper 4 (or 1 on some boards) adds 0.8V

In this case the max voltage is 3.5V.

This may not be relevant to the thread 😀

I think it actually just might be 😀

And even if it's not, this sort of information is very useful anyway 😁
Kinda figured this one out myself and figuring out undocumented jumper settings is fun!
Same goes for undocumented jumper settings of 486 boards as these are often forested with them and the official descriptions of the ones that were documented are often in Engrish and of the nature "If you put a Cyrix 486 in there, then short < list 30 rows of jumpers for you to change > " and if you instead decide to press the Cyrix 5x86 in there, then you need to change a whole lot of other jumpers and the manuals never explained what exactly the jumpers were for and this always kinda nagged me 🤣! I wanna figure out stuff and see what (undocumented) options we have on this old hardware 😀

Addition: Iirc, some jumperblocks even had 3 options. Short 1-2, short 2-3, not short anything. The possibilities are limitless! 😁

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