You already have them in the right order in your list. If the Asus board has good caps use it, if need be use two sound cards.

If you really want to use SB-Link use the Epox board.

Thanks for the info, the order I listed those boards was purely coincidental. 😀

Even better news, I've just found an SB-Link connector on the ASUS board as well.

Is there any particular reason why you wouldn't recommend the Transcend Board?

No other than it's a much rarer board, here in Europe I do not think they were sold at all so I have never even seen one. Quality wise Im sure they are fine, it's not a PC Chips rebrand.

The good thing with using an Asus board is that it's easy to find information, drivers and BIOS files online. The P2-99 is perhaps not the most common Asus board but I would think it has the same strenghts and issues as other Asus BX/ZX boards.

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Hmmmm.... Are the 440-ZX not inferiour to the 440-BX, or am I wrong?

Transcend was a common brand here, almost as common as Gigabyte. It still is actually, but now they make USB drives and Memory cards. It has always been considered a good quality brand.

SE440BX-2 should have SB-link too, it's just called PC/PCI connector.

Kamerat wrote:

SE440BX-2 should have SB-link too, it's just called PC/PCI connector.

And it is a great board. Really stable.

Thanks, I see that now. I really should pay more attention. 😁

@brostenen The main limitation of the 440ZX over the 440BX is the number of memory banks (ZX has only 2 while BX has 3-4). Other than that it's very much the same as the BX.

So I'm using the ASUS Board and the Intel Board for now, and keeping the other two for backups.

Thanks to eveyone for their useful input.

Does the 440BX chipset officially support 133MHz FSB?

I noticed my P6DBE is only listed as having 100MHz FSB and up to 700MHz PIII's. Perhaps, it is simply a BIOS limitation implemented by Supermicro because it's meant as a server board, and they are more concerned with stability?

Just curious.

Logistics wrote:

Does the 440BX chipset officially support 133MHz FSB?

Absolutely not. Something of a controversy back then. If you wanted a decent Intel chipset and 133mhz FSB, you were forced to use RDRAM for a while.

gdjacobs wrote:

Logistics wrote:

Does the 440BX chipset officially support 133MHz FSB?

Absolutely not. Something of a controversy back then. If you wanted a decent Intel chipset and 133mhz FSB, you were forced to use RDRAM for a while.

This brings me to another question. I have a 440BX Socket 370 machine as well, which I want to upgrade the CPU on (Currently a Pentium 3 550E). I was originally planning on putting a 1GHz 133FSB P3 CPU in, but given the fact that it would cause both AGP and PCI to overclock as well, I'd rather stick to a 100FSB CPU.

My question is, would a Pentium 3 750 be a significant upgrade, or would a Celeron 950 be a better choice?

Totempole wrote:

gdjacobs wrote:

Logistics wrote:

Does the 440BX chipset officially support 133MHz FSB?

Absolutely not. Something of a controversy back then. If you wanted a decent Intel chipset and 133mhz FSB, you were forced to use RDRAM for a while.

This brings me to another question. I have a 440BX Socket 370 machine as well, which I want to upgrade the CPU on (Currently a Pentium 3 550E). I was originally planning on putting a 1GHz 133FSB P3 CPU in, but given the fact that it would cause both AGP and PCI to overclock as well, I'd rather stick to a 100FSB CPU.

My question is, assuming it's supported, would a Celeron 800 or 950 be a significant upgrade, or would a Pentium 3 750 be a better choice?

This is what you need!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tualatin-Celeron-1- … oQAAOSwWTRWuu99

This Celeron 1400(100) needs 1.5V, if your board fully supports Coppermine CPUs it should have VRM 8.4 and all should be good.

Note that you need a special modified CPU, a non modified Tualatin Celeron will not work, the fastest non modified CPU you can use is a Coppermine Celeron 1100(100).

Skyscraper wrote:

This is what you need! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tualatin-Celeron-1- … oQAAOSwWTRWuu99 […]
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This is what you need!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tualatin-Celeron-1- … oQAAOSwWTRWuu99

This Celeron 1400(100) needs 1.5V, if your board fully supports Coppermine CPUs it should have VRM 8.4 and all should be good.

Note that you need a special modified CPU, a non modified Tualatin Celeron will not work, the fastest non modified CPU you can use is a Coppermine Celeron 1100(100).

Thanks, but I'd rather just use what I have currently. Is a 950MHz Celeron faster than an 750MHz Pentium 3?

Totempole wrote:

Skyscraper wrote:

This is what you need! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tualatin-Celeron-1- … oQAAOSwWTRWuu99 […]
Show full quote

This is what you need!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tualatin-Celeron-1- … oQAAOSwWTRWuu99

This Celeron 1400(100) needs 1.5V, if your board fully supports Coppermine CPUs it should have VRM 8.4 and all should be good.

Note that you need a special modified CPU, a non modified Tualatin Celeron will not work, the fastest non modified CPU you can use is a Coppermine Celeron 1100(100).

Thanks, but I'd rather just use what I have currently. Is a 950MHz Celeron faster than an 750MHz Pentium 3?

Yes but the difference is small.

In case you find the Celeron 950 to slow but dont want to spend $30.

I have no idea if the shipping is as cheap to South Africa but here is a Coppermine Celeron 1100 for 7.7 euro with 2.58 euro shipping.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INTEL-SL5XU-Celeron … AIAAOSwx-9WvYpF

The Intel board is the most bulletproof, but very strict about what it lets you do. It will probably work for 20 more years.
The Epox EP-BX3 is much more friendly to tweaking and overclocking. However, they came from the factory with bad caps and their fan headers of that era are easily overloaded and burned out (not sure if the others are any better though).
Personally I would prefer the Epox but only after recapping. Epox was more of a budget brand but I've had good experience with their stability and I generally like them. They have a nice jumper layout IMO.

I'm not sure what the quality of the caps is on the Transcend, and I've had little exposure to their boards.
It might be comparable in features/tweakability to the Epox. I don't know if both boards are guaranteed to support Coppermine voltages or it's just case by case. My EP-BX3 does, but I've never had the Transcend.

The 440BX chipset supports a 1/4 PCI ratio so you can keep PCI at 33MHz while running 133FSB. AGP would be at 89MHz though.
This assumes the jumpers allow these settings, or that the BIOS is smart enough to set it correctly. Some boards may well leave you at 44MHz PCI when running 133FSB. I know it can be set correctly at least on the EP-BX3.
Not all 440BX chips are happy at 133MHz - it's something that you just have to try out and see if it's stable. I like to test slightly faster than that (like say 137-140MHz) just to be sure it's reliable. Later boards tend to be better at it.
If that Asus 440ZX board supports overclocking then it probably has a good shot at 133FSB also.

I have a Celeron 1.1GHz Coppermine, but it's kind of slow compared to a 133FSB P3. I can't remember for sure how it stacked up, but I think my 800/133 was about as fast or faster than the 1.1 Celeron was. Compared to the 100FSB P3s it might be on par though.

Skyscraper wrote:

Yes but the difference is small. […]
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Totempole wrote:

Skyscraper wrote:

This is what you need! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tualatin-Celeron-1- … oQAAOSwWTRWuu99 […]
Show full quote

This is what you need!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tualatin-Celeron-1- … oQAAOSwWTRWuu99

This Celeron 1400(100) needs 1.5V, if your board fully supports Coppermine CPUs it should have VRM 8.4 and all should be good.

Note that you need a special modified CPU, a non modified Tualatin Celeron will not work, the fastest non modified CPU you can use is a Coppermine Celeron 1100(100).

Thanks, but I'd rather just use what I have currently. Is a 950MHz Celeron faster than an 750MHz Pentium 3?

Yes but the difference is small.

In case you find the Celeron 950 to slow but dont want to spend $30.

I have no idea if the shipping is as cheap to South Africa but here is a Coppermine Celeron 1100 for 7.7 euro with 2.58 euro shipping.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INTEL-SL5XU-Celeron … AIAAOSwx-9WvYpF

Thanks for the info. If I find the 950MHz Celeron too slow, I have a range of 98SE P4 Systems running at between 1.8-3.2GHz. 😀

For everything else, I like to use my P3 450-500MHz Slot1 setups.

shamino wrote:

I have a Celeron 1.1GHz Coppermine, but it's kind of slow compared to a 133FSB P3. I can't remember for sure how it stacked up, but I think my 800/133 was about as fast or faster than the 1.1 Celeron was. Compared to the 100FSB P3s it might be on par though.

Yep, there are fps, where 1000EB is almost same as Celeron 1300.

Tertz wrote:

shamino wrote:

I have a Celeron 1.1GHz Coppermine, but it's kind of slow compared to a 133FSB P3. I can't remember for sure how it stacked up, but I think my 800/133 was about as fast or faster than the 1.1 Celeron was. Compared to the 100FSB P3s it might be on par though.

Yep, there are fps, where 1000EB is almost same as Celeron 1300.

I would think a Coppermine Celeron 1100 is about equal to a P3 866 on average with the Celeron 950 beeing equal to a P3 733. It was some time ago but I did quite alot of benching comparing Coppermine Celerons and Coppermine P3s. Some memory bottlenecked stuff will run close to 33% faster on the P3 (clock for clock) but stuff that fits into the Celerons 128KB L2 will run almost as fast on the Celeron as on the P3 (clock for clock).

Skyscraper wrote:

I would think a Coppermine Celeron 1100 is about equal to a P3 866 on average with the Celeron 950 beeing equal to a P3 733. It was some time ago but I did quite alot of benching comparing Coppermine Celerons and Coppermine P3s. Some memory bottlenecked stuff will run close to 33% faster on the P3 (clock for clock) but stuff that fits into the Celerons 128KB L2 will run almost as fast on the Celeron as on the P3 (clock for clock).

But a Celeron 950Mhz is still faster than a Pentium 3 750Mhz on a 100FSB right?