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First post, by MMaximus

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You know the story... you're not really planning to buy anything but you're browsing ebay for no particular reason and before you know it you've clicked on the "Buy it Now" button... 😲

Anyway I decided to pull the trigger on this:

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/322005747384

I actually find it hard to believe that something could sit unsold and unused in its box for almost 30 years, but from the pictures it looks like the computer has indeed never been used. Add to that the fact that it comes with the original user manuals, and that the price while not cheap didn't seem excessive to me... I decided to take the plunge.

Now I'm well aware that it might not work. I thought it would be less risky because XT don't have batteries, but on second thought I realised it comes with an I/O card that probably has a CR2032, is this possible it would leak enough to damage the mainboard? I guess my main question is really about the PSU. If something goes wrong with it and it blows on the first try, then it might ruin all the rest too? I was thinking of unplugging it first and powering it while unconnected to the mainboard or peripherals, but would that be enough to ensure risk-free operation?

Is there anything else I should be aware of or any particular precautions I should take?

Sorry if all these questions sound silly, but I know that XT machines are more "hands-on" than let's say Socket 7 systems, and I don't really have any experience in repairing PCs or electronics. I always thought it would be really nice to own an XT again someday, as we got rid of our family XT in the early '90s and I never even used another one since then. And after all, a NOS machine like this seemed less risky than buying an old beat up system with missing parts like they often show up on ebay.

BTW it seems the seller has a few more of these if anyone else is interested. I got the model with the mechanical keyboard included because I don't have an XT compatible keyboard at hand and this model seemed nice, but apparently you can also get the computer on its own for cheaper.

I guess the fact that the seller has several of these available adds some unknown to the equation as well. From what I understand they opened one box to take photos but didn't open the other ones... so how can they be sure the contents are identical? Or maybe there are missing bits. I guess I'll have to find out... the only problem is that I had it shipped to my folks place back in Europe, and I won't travel there until a few weeks or months and it might be too late to complain. I guess the whole thing is a bit of a gamble really! 😐

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Reply 1 of 40, by Skyscraper

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Thanks for letting me know about these.

I grabbed one aswell. I diddnt go for one with keyboard though as I think I can source a XT keyboard cheaper and I have already spent all too much on Ebay lately.

Fuck it! I bought a second one with keyboard aswell as the cheap keyboards seems to have sold out, I have a friend who Im sure would like one of these aswell anyhow.

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Reply 2 of 40, by MMaximus

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Great news! I'm excited there will be another Vogons user with the same machine.

I was wondering why the auction hasn't been shared in the Ebay thread yet - so I've just posted it there in case someone else would be interested.

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Reply 3 of 40, by Skyscraper

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They will probably sell out within hours.

The sellers new old stock 386 systems aswell I think.

I will perhaps pick up a few more things in my watch list but after that I will not log into Ebay or any other auction sites for the next 3 months unless I need to buy some cheap stuff for an already existing project. I'm done! 😁

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Reply 4 of 40, by keropi

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Really nice!!!
Better have a vga ready for them, the onboard graphics is a Hercules clone card. Also check if there is a leaking battery on the mobo the moment you receive it 😎
Welcome to the XT clone club 😊

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Reply 5 of 40, by PhilsComputerLab

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Great find! Too old for me, but I'm eager to hear the stories and what this machine can do. The condition is just amazing, I would love to know the background story, were do they come form? How did they stay untouched for this long?

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Reply 6 of 40, by MMaximus

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Skyscraper:

I noticed the 386 and was interested at first as I also used to own a 386SX16 back the day (it was the machine that we replaced our XT with) but I thought the auction price was a bit on the expensive side so choosing the XT seemed like a better buy to me. Plus the 386 board seemed to have a barrel battery which adds a risk of leak I guess.

Also, from what I remember a 386SX16 is quite limited, it was certainly faster than our old XT but soon enough there were many games that ran too slow so it got upgraded to a 486DX50 only a couple of years later. I guess a 386SX16 would basically allow you to play the same games you would play on a 286...

I know what you mean about managing your budget - when I know I shouldn't spend any more money on this hobby, I avoid looking at the Ebay thread on Vogons 😀

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Reply 7 of 40, by Skyscraper

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keropi wrote:

Really nice!!!
Better have a vga ready for them, the onboard graphics is a Hercules clone card. Also check if there is a leaking battery on the mobo the moment you receive it 😎
Welcome to the XT clone club 😊

I have a nice Video 7 VEGA VGA 8bit card in my 286. 😀

I have bought new old stock 286 boards of this vintage (1990 - 1992) and the barrel batteries have been ok. If the computers have been stored dry as the ad says I think there is small chance there is much leakage as the batteries never been used.

As I see it a brand new 5.25" drive and a nice brand new desk top case with a brand new XT PSU and some cards makes this a nice deal even if the motherboards would need some repair or even replacing. I think I spot an empty CR2032 holder on one of the cards so with luck the batteries have already been removed?

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Reply 8 of 40, by Skyscraper

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Perhaps keropi can tell us exactly what he sees in these two pictures.

It looks like the Hercules card also has a bonus paralell port?

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Reply 9 of 40, by MMaximus

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keropi wrote:

Really nice!!!
Better have a vga ready for them, the onboard graphics is a Hercules clone card. Also check if there is a leaking battery on the mobo the moment you receive it 😎
Welcome to the XT clone club 😊

Thanks! I know about the VGA, the oldest graphics card I have is actually an ET3000 VGA / EGA combo card but I don't think it will work in an 8 bit slot so I'm on the lookout for a VGA card that does, like a VGA wonder. But only as a transition - ideally I want to locate an affordable 9pin CGA/EGA CRT and use it with EGA. Coincidentally I've also been able to recently buy on ebay a boxed version of the same EGA card I had around 1989 - made by Laser systems. I've been looking for ages and it's a nice stroke of luck that it appeared at the same time.

I don't think the mobo should have a battery as the RTC duty is probably taken care of by the I/O expansion card, which should hold a battery from what I've seen.

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Great find! Too old for me, but I'm eager to hear the stories and what this machine can do. The condition is just amazing, I would love to know the background story, were do they come form? How did they stay untouched for this long?

I know, when I saw the pictures I thought it was too good to be true and I'm really wondering how come these machines have never been used.

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Reply 10 of 40, by MMaximus

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Skyscraper wrote:

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It looks like the Hercules card also has a bonus paralell port?

I think this was actually pretty common back in the day.

Here is a picture of all that is left from my XT / 386 era - the machines have long gone but I managed to hold on to a few user manuals over the years. In one of the manuals it shows that one card was certainly a combination of graphics card with a parallel port (probably the VGA card that was in my 386). The Laser EGA is the original manual for the card I had at the time so I'm quite excited to be getting the same card again.

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Reply 11 of 40, by Skyscraper

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MMaximus wrote:
Skyscraper wrote:

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It looks like the Hercules card also has a bonus paralell port?

I think this was actually pretty common back in the day.

Here is a picture of all that is left from my XT / 386 era - the machines have long gone but I managed to hold on to a few user manuals over the years. In one of the manuals it shows that one card was certainly a combination of graphics card with a parallel port (probably the VGA card that was in my 386). The Laser EGA is the original manual for the card I had back in the day so I'm quite excited to be getting the same card again.

As the manual actally is posted in the Ebay description I checked and it is a paralell port on the hercules card.

Do you agree that the round thingy on the RTC + I/O card is an empty CR2032 battery holder? There is no manual posted for that card.

The 8 "DIP-10" memory chips are a good sign, the system seems fully loaded!

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Reply 12 of 40, by keenerb

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Jealousy.

Jealousy is what you can expect. From me anyway, that's a nice piece of hardware!

Reply 13 of 40, by MMaximus

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Skyscraper wrote:

As the manual actally is posted in the Ebay description I checked and it is a paralell port on the hercules card.

Do you agree that the round thingy on the RTC + I/O card is an empty CR2032 battery holder? There is no manual posted for that card.

The 8 "DIP-10" memory chips are a good sign, the system seems fully loaded!

Yes it's most certainly a battery as I wrote in my original post - that's the I/O card and I guess the battery is used for it to keep time. However I can't tell from the pictures if the slot is empty or there is a battery in it.

From the pictures there is a manual for the I/O card, it says the model is GW202. Here is a link to the layout:

https://th99.bl4ckb0x.de/i/P-R/53019.htm

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Reply 14 of 40, by Half-Saint

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I'm surprised he hasn't sold everything already 😀 Tempted to get one myself... damn...

Wait, it doesn't come with a brand new MFM hard drive, does it? On second look, no hard drive.

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Reply 15 of 40, by Skyscraper

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Half-Saint wrote:

I'm surprised he hasn't sold everything already 😀 Tempted to get one myself... damn...

Wait, it doesn't come with a brand new MFM hard drive, does it?

It does not, only a 5.25" floppy drive but Im hoping the I/O card at least will take a 3.5" 720KB drive in place of or along side the 5.25" drive as I do not have any blank 5.25" disks. 😜

Hoping for 1.44MB floppy BIOS support is asking a bit too much I think.

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Reply 16 of 40, by Half-Saint

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1.44MB floppy support is a bit optimistic.. 720K is much more probable.

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Reply 17 of 40, by Logistics

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NOS XT computer... April 1st... hmmm, I dunno. Hope it's not a cruel scam.

Reply 18 of 40, by BSA Starfire

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Logistics wrote:

NOS XT computer... April 1st... hmmm, I dunno. Hope it's not a cruel scam.

I have to say I did wonder that myself when I first read this thread a few hours ago.

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Reply 19 of 40, by MMaximus

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Logistics wrote:

NOS XT computer... April 1st... hmmm, I dunno. Hope it's not a cruel scam.

I actually bought it a few days ago and it has been delivered already from what I've heard. I hope it's not a huge prank and the box is filled with sand or something! 🤣

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