And Prince of Persia 1/2, Mortal Kombat 2, Supaplex would otherwise play at 44 KHz?

And I guess a reboot would also fix this? That's my standard process 😊

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

And Prince of Persia 1/2, Mortal Kombat 2, Supaplex would otherwise play at 44 KHz?

The sampling rate of the card has nothing to do with the quality of the game audio, the SB-Pro is 44.1kHz in mono and 22.05kHz in stereo.
The games themselves vary but most common is 11kHz sounds, halve that and you get 5.5Khz.
The bug is actually in the hardware.
I have included a fix without restarting the PC.

So everything gets halved?

A 11 KHz sample in Wing Commander 2, would then play at 5 KHz?

If it's not one of the games that fix it, yes, the sound should be half as good as it already is in WC2. 😀

More games that affected by the bug: Prehistoric 2, Summer/Winter Challenge.

James-F wrote:

If it's not one of the games that fix it, yes, the sound should be half as good as it already is in WC2. 😀

Ah, ok, yes that's a bug alright 😀

What for 25 years no one noticed? 😁

We need to find the games that create this bug, and create a quick fix for it.

If your SB is at address 220H, please try this quick hack I just made:

Jepael wrote:

If your SB is at address 220H, please try this quick hack I just made:

IT WORKS !
This little hack actually brings the SB-Pro back to mono and everything sounds normal again.
Well done Jepael, thank you.

Can you elaborate what it actually does?
I think it will be wise to write a small txt description in the zip along with the com file for DOS reading.

Do you mind if I repost it in the first post?

I think it was just never considered a big deal to power cycle the machine between gaming sessions or whenever some weird glitches cropped up. 😀

How is that a bug in the SB Pro though?
I mean, it sounds like the game just doesn't bother to take the SB Pro out of stereo mode after you exit it.
Since some games are written only for regular Sound Blaster, they don't even know about mono or stereo mode, so they never bother to reset it (they assume it's always in the correct mode, because there is only one).

Perhaps some background info:
The SB Pro has a very basic implementation of 'stereo':
Instead of sending 44.1k samples per second through a single channel, it sends 44.1k samples per second to two channels, the even ones go to the left channel, the odd ones to the right channel (it sorta ping-pongs them left/right).
So the card is still configured for 44.1 KHz sample transfers. Perhaps what happens is that games play eg 11 KHz mono samples, and set it to 11 KHz, but the 'ping pong' feature is still enabled as well, so effectively it sends 5.5k samples left and 5.5k samples right. Technically it is stereo, but if you play mono samples, you probably don't hear any stereo effects, because the difference between the two channels is purely accidental, and very minor.

If clones don't have the same behaviour, I say that's a flaw in their implementation. They didn't copy the functionality of the SB Pro DSP chip accurately enough.

You are right Scali, this is not actually a bug of the SB-Pro but the game that doesn't bring it back to mono at exit.
Still, it is good to be aware of the games that create the bug, and affected by it.

EDIT:
I can actually recreate the bug in DOSBox.
Even though sbtype=sb16 when I setup the game with SB-Pro Stereo as in the first post I can recreate the bug.
So the SB-Pro emulation in dosbox is quite accurate.
Jepael's sbpmono.con fix also works in dosbox.

It's funny, because I always knew to reboot the machine after playing Doom or Duke 3D. But I never quite new why 😁 But these games have often been mentioned to "screw things up". 😊

James-F wrote:

IT WORKS ! This little hack actually brings the SB-Pro back to mono and everything sounds normal again. Well done Jepael, thank […]
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Jepael wrote:

If your SB is at address 220H, please try this quick hack I just made:

IT WORKS !
This little hack actually brings the SB-Pro back to mono and everything sounds normal again.
Well done Jepael, thank you.

Can you elaborate what it actually does?
I think it will be wise to write a small txt description in the zip along with the com file for DOS reading.

Do you mind if I repost it in the first post?

Glad it worked, I didn't even test it before posting 😁

I made a new zip file with DOS compatible description text (linux has different line endings). Go ahead and put that in your first post if you like.

Meanwhile Scali explained the issue; a game supporting SB Pro and using stereo mode, leaves the mixer in stereo mode, so next games that are not SB Pro aware do not control the mixer back to mono mode before playing samples.

This tool just sets the mixer back to mono mode, which is the default setting after reboot and mixer reset.

The thing is, I can't quite understand why the samples sounds halved. For example, when playing 44kHz mono or 22kHz stereo, DSP is configured to play 44kHz samples per second in either case. So playback time of X samples should be identical in mono and stereo modes and so the rate should not be halved, you should just hear maybe some weird phasing effects instead.

Here is an example straight from DOSBox.
It reflects exactly what I hear with the actual hardware.

It does sound like it has some phase effect but I can also hear some stereo separation in certain sounds, both are obviously side effects.
But the most obvious difference is the halved sampling rate.

Jepael wrote:

The thing is, I can't quite understand why the samples sounds halved. For example, when playing 44kHz mono or 22kHz stereo, DSP is configured to play 44kHz samples per second in either case.

I think that is why:
If you set the DSP to 44 KHz, it is 44 KHz in mono, but 22 KHz in stereo, so that's why it is halved.
Namely, at 22 KHz the samples are 'twice as long'... You just have a left and right sample.

Mind you, listening to the samples from James-F, they don't sound 'halved' indeed... They sound a bit more 'muffled', because the sampling rate is lower, but indeed, not like it's downsampled. Speedwise/pitchwise they're still quite close, just some weird 'phasing'.
So I think that's what you meant.

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I think that is why: If you set the DSP to 44 KHz, it is 44 KHz in mono, but 22 KHz in stereo, so that's why it is halved. Namel […]
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Jepael wrote:

The thing is, I can't quite understand why the samples sounds halved. For example, when playing 44kHz mono or 22kHz stereo, DSP is configured to play 44kHz samples per second in either case.

I think that is why:
If you set the DSP to 44 KHz, it is 44 KHz in mono, but 22 KHz in stereo, so that's why it is halved.
Namely, at 22 KHz the samples are 'twice as long'... You just have a left and right sample.

Mind you, listening to the samples from James-F, they don't sound 'halved' indeed... They sound a bit more 'muffled', because the sampling rate is lower, but indeed, not like it's downsampled. Speedwise/pitchwise they're still quite close, just some weird 'phasing'.
So I think that's what you meant.

No, definitely not halved. I just assumed because the first post said so and I kept wondering why I don't get the reason it is halved. The MP3s sound just as I expected.

The sampling rate rate of the DAC itself is identical in mono and stereo modes. But when playing mono sample in stereo mode, for left channel, you get half the samples and so samples for each channel are twice as long, so the pitch is correct. You just get a bit different audio on left and right channels so it isn't mono, it sounds like stereo expansion. Plus, when playing mono sample in stereo mode, what the mixer is essentially doing is downsampling both channels by throwing away every other sample, is the worst way of downsampling so you get aliasing artifacts.