Why not post in the System Specs section, possibly along with pictures? 😀
I'd put an sb live on that dual-cpu box unless it's a via 686, and an sb16 in your first box, but that's just me...

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PC for MsDos gaming old games ( the pc case has Turbo button and the motherboard hasn't L2 cache for undercloking easily):

Processor: AMD 5x86 DX5 133 Mhz
Graphic card: S3 virge vx pci + voodoo 1 pci
Ram: 48 MB FPM ( no EDO)
HD: IDE - SD adapter with microsd de 16 GB.
Sound card: AWE32 ISA

If you can swap the 5x86 for something like a Pentium-166, then it might be a better setup for the Voodoo.
And you need another motherboard too. A 5x86 might be a bottleneck, when running the latest Dos games.
On the other hand. A 5x86-133 is just an awesomme machine. It's a bit like a 486 on steroids.
That said, then it is not in any way, in the league of a real Pentium 1 system.
On the Ram part, you might want to look at something like 32 or even 16 megabyte instead.
Some games have it difficult, when running more than 16mb and some have problems with 32mb.
You can enhance the compatibility with dos games, by adding the Gravis Ultrasound.

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PC with dual boot DOS / W98 ( this is for DOS gaming with ultimate dos games glide compatible and w98 games):
Processor: AMD K6-2 500 Mhz
Graphic card: S3 savage AGP + 2 x voodoo 2 pci (SLI)
Ram: 64 MB EDO
HD: IDE 8 GB
Sound card: AWE64 ISA

Dos glide games are late-era games, and they work on something like P-III too.
Using a P-III 500 to 800 mhz, might give you a better system for Win98 games.
Going that route, you need to go for 440bx boards and Slot-1.

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PC Windows XP ( This is for post w98 gaming): Processors: 2 x pentium III 1400 Mhz Graphic card: Nvidia geforce 6600 AGP Ram: 2 […]
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PC Windows XP ( This is for post w98 gaming):
Processors: 2 x pentium III 1400 Mhz
Graphic card: Nvidia geforce 6600 AGP
Ram: 2 GB SDRAM
HD: IDE 80 GB
Sound: Sound blaster 128 PCI ( ensonic)

For a good WinXP machine, I would not go slower than something like an Athlon64 of some sort.
At least 2gb Ram and something like an GF-6800 sli or faster.
WinXP is not my point of focus, when we are talking about gaming.
Just remember that Athlon64's and those alike from AMD, was the king in the years of 2003/05.
If you dig around on Vogons, there seems to be more and more questions about XP machines.
Sadly, this is the only advice I can give you regarding WinXP systems.

In my opinion:

- My "PC for MsDos" target are very old games, then with an 5x86 without "pushed turbo button" makes possible very old games execution.
- Do you think that gravis ultrasound is more compatible than soundblaster 16?
- About my AMD k6-II , Do you think that isn't a enought powerfull processor to run latest w98 games with 2 "voodoo 2" in sli?

Brostenen, thanks for your advices 😀

I use a Voodoo Rush in my AMD 586 build and it does great for what I run - DOS games, as well as 3dfx Carmageddon, Descent and Descent 2. I do use the MX chipset voodoo rush, as the AT25 version has compatibility issue with some DOS games. My second 586 is a Cyrix 586 100GP overclocked to 120MHz and it used to house an 8MB voodoo 2. Here's full specs:

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= AMD 586 =
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Am5x86 P75 @ 160MHz (4x40)
GEMLIGHT GMB-486SPS (SIS 85C496, 512kb L2)
32MB EDO dram
A-Trend VD110P (Voodoo Rush with MX 2D chipset)
AWE32
3GB Quantum Fireball

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= Cyrix 586 =
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Cyrix 5x86-100GP externally switchable from 100 to 120MHz (3x40) *machine needs to be turned off first otherwise it will hang
Lucky Star ls486e (SIS 85C496, 256kb L2)
32MB FPM
Diamond Stealth S3 Virge
Diamond Monster II Voodoo 2 8mb
Yamaha SW20-PC
3GB Seagate

The point is - the AMD rig does 19.8 FPS in GL_quake WITH SOUND ON and the Cyrix machine at 120MHz with 586 enhancements on does 24 fps with SOUND ON - so GL quake is playable. In Descent and Carmageddon I get a minimum 19 fps and maximum of 60, with the average being a comfortable 32.

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In my opinion:

- My "PC for MsDos" target are very old games, then with an 5x86 without "pushed turbo button" makes possible very old games execution.
- Do you think that gravis ultrasound is more compatible than soundblaster 16?
- About my AMD k6-II , Do you think that isn't a enought powerfull processor to run latest w98 games with 2 "voodoo 2" in sli?

Brostenen, thanks for your advices 😀

Just have both a GUS and a SB16 in the same machine. GUS are mostly for 1991/93 gaming.

Ok, and.. Do you think that k6-2 isn't enough for gaming with voodoos?

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PC with dual boot DOS / W98 ( this is for DOS gaming with ultimate dos games glide compatible and w98 games):
Processor: AMD K6-2 500 Mhz
Graphic card: S3 savage AGP + 2 x voodoo 2 pci (SLI)
Ram: 64 MB EDO
HD: IDE 8 GB
Sound card: AWE64 ISA

Unless it's a mistake, what strikes me here is that 8GB hard drive is way too small for a machine that's designed to run both DOS and Windows games. Unless you only plan to use it for a handful of games at a time, and erase games you're not actively playing. I have a similar machine and I use an 80GB drive there (which is probably needlessly big, but 30-40GB sounds about right).

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Hello world,

These are my 3 retro-pcs that I'm building, What do you think about them?

PC for MsDos gaming old games ( the pc case has Turbo button and the motherboard hasn't L2 cache for undercloking easily):

Processor: AMD 5x86 DX5 133 Mhz
Graphic card: S3 virge vx pci + voodoo 1 pci
Ram: 48 MB FPM ( no EDO)
HD: IDE - SD adapter with microsd de 16 GB.
Sound card: AWE32 ISA

PC with dual boot DOS / W98 ( this is for DOS gaming with ultimate dos games glide compatible and w98 games):
Processor: AMD K6-2 500 Mhz
Graphic card: S3 savage AGP + 2 x voodoo 2 pci (SLI)
Ram: 64 MB EDO
HD: IDE 8 GB
Sound card: AWE64 ISA

PC Windows XP ( This is for post w98 gaming):
Processors: 2 x pentium III 1400 Mhz
Graphic card: Nvidia geforce 6600 AGP
Ram: 2 GB SDRAM
HD: IDE 80 GB
Sound: Sound blaster 128 PCI ( ensonic)

I have access to more old hardware like ISA graphic cards, soundblaster vibra 16 ISa, gravis ultrasound ISA,matrox PCI/AGP, Ati pci/agp, voodoo 3000 agp ....)

What's your opinion? Do you think that these configurations could be improved?

Thanks a lot !!

The Am5x86 133 system:
Without L2 the computer is too slow for serious DOS 3dfx games with the Voodoo1.
The GUS should be added here as second sound card. Also some DOS compatible GM synth is missing on this system.

K6-2 500 MHz system:
The second Voodoo2 is wasted on the K6-2 as it is CPU limited and gives only the higher 1024 resolution. However this doesn't matter if you target this system for DOS 3D games. For compatibility reasons a Voodoo1 for DOS glide games is recommended. You can still plug a Voodoo2 for Windows games.
I would use 128 MB SDRAM in such system.
Sound card is ok for late DOS games, however for Windows games some card with A3D / EAX is missing. Think about a Terrate DMX Fire1024 or SB Live! or similar.

WinXP computer:
For Dual CPU gaming the P3 1.4 GHz is low end considering the games that take advantage of this. Better go for some modern stuff, like some late AGP board or even PCIe. The 6x00 series of NVIdia card is likely a good choice to have palettized textures support. For the sound card some Xi-Fi would be more appropriate supporting more standards.

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Ok, and.. Do you think that k6-2 isn't enough for gaming with voodoos?

Games such as NFS-II-se, Diablo-II and UT99 will run. Though late-Win98 games will strugle. Games such as Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

K6-II or K6-III systems have the advantage of being great for making a "fake" 486 class system, using the cache disable trick. P-III systems are better for what you plan on gaming. And yes, they can still run 95/96 Dos games without issues. It's the early dos games you need K6-II or a real 386/486 system for.

As I undestand... if I put vodoo 2 sli on k6-2, I can't profit it on all games because my cpu is weak, but if I put voodoo 2 sli in my Pentium III 1400 system voodoos are weak for ultimate games on XP OS..

May be better: k6-2 with vodoo 1 (dos and w98) and pentium III 1400 with vooodoo 2 sli + geforce 6600 (XP)?

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As I undestand... if I put vodoo 2 sli on k6-2, I can't profit it on all games because my cpu is weak, but if I put voodoo 2 sli in my Pentium III 1400 system voodoos are weak for ultimate games on XP OS..

May be better: k6-2 with vodoo 1 and pentium III 1400 with vooodoo 2 sli + geforce 6600?

Yeah.... Seems kind of right.
Though a single Voodoo2 might give you that right combo on a K6-II-500.

Another final thought, is the GF-6600.
That card is better in XP, as it will be hard to set up in Win98.
Even if you get it running, you will run into a shitload of compatibility problems.
My advice is to source a GF4-ti4200 or a Radeon9600/9800-series of card.

The ti4200 have plenty enough of power and it is running cooler than faster GF4's.
This is the reason why most +ti4600's are long dead and gone.
There are plenty of 4200's out there and they will last longer.

Radeon cards are cool as the drivers deliver all of the V-Sync/AA/AF settings
out of the box. The bad part is that they are missing some older features.
Wich I can not remember exactly. This only concerns the really old Win98 games.
And for that you can use a Voodoo2-SLI setup. WinWin.

Personally, I would rather pair a SLI setup with these cards....
- Matrox G400max.
- TNT2 ultra.
- Geforce2 gts/pro or any of them. (just not MX)
- Quadro2 Pro.

I know it is not as fast as GF4/Radeon. The reason is that I go for compatibility
over speed. So I tend to end up with one of these cards, as they have no quirks.
Faster cards, especially nVidia, tend to loose compatibility from (and including) Geforce3 and up.

You might ask why I recommend GF4's then, because they loose compatibility.
Well.... In most cases, you can get around this by installing the newest patch for a game
that you have quirks with. And sometimes you need to enable AAx2 in order to
remove the last small quirks and incorrect rendering of the graphic.
One such game is UT99, were the first release of this game has issues on GF4 cards.
I had to install the latest patch and finally set AAx2 in order to remove incorrect rendering.
These are only installation issues and takes some extra time setting up.
The latest retail edition of this game, has none of these issue, according to other Vogon users.

When I tried to run it on a FX5200 and FX5500, I had big issues.
Even after patching the game and setting AAx4 (yes, four not two), it would still have quirks.
Just remember that this is only one game, and other might not have issues on GF4 or FX-5xxx cards.

I have personally never had an issue with UT99 on my GF4 4400. I only use the latest version though aka GOTY edition. With 28.32 drivers the only big issue i run into are with games that requirement Texel Alignment. Which are very few in the DX6 range of games, and some of them have patches to fix that like X Wing Alliance.

tuberviejuner wrote:

As I undestand... if I put vodoo 2 sli on k6-2, I can't profit it on all games because my cpu is weak, but if I put voodoo 2 sli in my Pentium III 1400 system voodoos are weak for ultimate games on XP OS..

May be better: k6-2 with vodoo 1 (dos and w98) and pentium III 1400 with vooodoo 2 sli + geforce 6600 (XP)?

No. A voodoo 1 is more appropriate for an early pentium.

On a K6 you can run games up to 1999 very well. I run GL_Quake @ 1024x768, Quake 2 @ 1280x1024, Half-Life @ 1024x768, Descent 2 and Carmageddon 3dfx at 1024x768, Unreal @ 1024x768, Quake 3 at 1024x768, SHOGO @ 1024x768, Homeworld @ 1024x768 - you get the point. You won't really get that much more performance from a PIII V2 SLi build, since the cards themselves will become a bottleneck - they are WAY more suited for a K6, since there are a few 3dfx DOS games that will act up on faster machines (uprising comes to mind). Speed-wise, a 650-700Mhz P3 or AMD Duron tops out a pair of V2 cards.

For a fast P3 like a 1.4Ghz tualatin it's best to use a Voodoo 3 3000, or Voodoo 4 4500 / Voodoo 5 5500 if you can find one.

Do NOT put anything faster then a GF4 Ti in a pentium 3 machine - you WILL encounter loads of hardware and driver issues. Even FX cards top out at SOME FX5700 cards. Besides, a Geforce 4 Ti is a beast of a card. It ran Black and White @ 1920x1080 on a socket 754 3500+ / Geforce 4 Ti 4200 and it never dips under 28 fps.

I had an FX 5700 in my tualatin rig at one point, but I had lots of issues with older games so I reverted back to a GF4 Ti. Examples: black screen in DK2, texture corruption in Homeworld 1, flashing menu text in SHOGO, hangs in Lego Racer.

Also be aware that newer cards like the GF 6600 and FX 5900XT have a huge AGP power draw - even if they have a dedicated power connector. This causes system instabilities on some motherboards only noticeable in some games and benchmarks. They also have AGP compatibility issues. Some cards (like the 6600) might be keyed for AGP 8x only - as such they won't physically fit a 2x slot. They will also act up in universal AGP slots (4x) that only provide 3.3 or 1.5v (the card requiring 0.8v as per AGP 3.0 spec).

Of course, if you have the time, patience and money you can experiment for yourself - but be warned - mixing and matching generations like this in pursuit of ultimate retro performance will tax your wallet and nerves.

tl;dr - if you want a blazing fast windows 98 rig for silly resolutions and detail levels, build a fast socket a / 478 / 754 / 939 / 775 rig. There's plenty of AGP 754 and 939 boards out there - even some nice i865 LGA775 boards - these have win98 drivers and make for kickass fast win98 rigs.

My "ultra win98 rig" is based on an Athlon 64 3800+ single core / Geforce 6800 AGP and can max out every old game, as well as run Doom 3, Quake 4 and GTA 3 under XP. This kind of build gives you great flexibility. You can also add a Voodoo 2 SLi kit to it for Glide games, although you could just use an emulator for glide (like nGlide) since the CPU is more then fast enough. Here's my build: Win98 Socket 939 Voodoo 2 SLi Build! (a.k.a. Glide Overkill)

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As I undestand... if I put vodoo 2 sli on k6-2, I can't profit it on all games because my cpu is weak, but if I put voodoo 2 sli in my Pentium III 1400 system voodoos are weak for ultimate games on XP OS..

May be better: k6-2 with vodoo 1 (dos and w98) and pentium III 1400 with vooodoo 2 sli + geforce 6600 (XP)?

No. A voodoo 1 is more appropriate for an early pentium.

On a K6 you can run games up to 1999 very well. I run GL_Quake @ 1024x768, Quake 2 @ 1280x1024, Half-Life @ 1024x768, Descent 2 and Carmageddon 3dfx at 1024x768, Unreal @ 1024x768, Quake 3 at 1024x768, SHOGO @ 1024x768, Homeworld @ 1024x768 - you get the point. You won't really get that much more performance from a PIII V2 SLi build, since the cards themselves will become a bottleneck - they are WAY more suited for a K6, since there are a few 3dfx DOS games that will act up on faster machines (uprising comes to mind). Speed-wise, a 650-700Mhz P3 or AMD Duron tops out a pair of V2 cards.

For a fast P3 like a 1.4Ghz tualatin it's best to use a Voodoo 3 3000, or Voodoo 4 4500 / Voodoo 5 5500 if you can find one.

Do NOT put anything faster then a GF4 Ti in a pentium 3 machine - you WILL encounter loads of hardware and driver issues. Even FX cards top out at SOME FX5700 cards. Besides, a Geforce 4 Ti is a beast of a card. It ran Black and White @ 1920x1080 on a socket 754 3500+ / Geforce 4 Ti 4200 and it never dips under 28 fps.

I had an FX 5700 in my tualatin rig at one point, but I had lots of issues with older games so I reverted back to a GF4 Ti. Examples: black screen in DK2, texture corruption in Homeworld 1, flashing menu text in SHOGO, hangs in Lego Racer.

Also be aware that newer cards like the GF 6600 and FX 5900XT have a huge AGP power draw - even if they have a dedicated power connector. This causes system instabilities on some motherboards only noticeable in some games and benchmarks. They also have AGP compatibility issues. Some cards (like the 6600) might be keyed for AGP 8x only - as such they won't physically fit a 2x slot. They will also act up in universal AGP slots (4x) that only provide 3.3 or 1.5v (the card requiring 0.8v as per AGP 3.0 spec).

Of course, if you have the time, patience and money you can experiment for yourself - but be warned - mixing and matching generations like this in pursuit of ultimate retro performance will tax your wallet and nerves.

tl;dr - if you want a blazing fast windows 98 rig for silly resolutions and detail levels, build a fast socket a / 478 / 754 / 939 / 775 rig. There's plenty of AGP 754 and 939 boards out there - even some nice i865 LGA775 boards - these have win98 drivers and make for kickass fast win98 rigs.

My "ultra win98 rig" is based on an Athlon 64 3800+ single core / Geforce 6800 AGP and can max out every old game, as well as run Doom 3, Quake 4 and GTA 3 under XP. This kind of build gives you great flexibility. You can also add a Voodoo 2 SLi kit to it for Glide games, although you could just use an emulator for glide (like nGlide) since the CPU is more then fast enough. Here's my build: Win98 Socket 939 Voodoo 2 SLi Build! (a.k.a. Glide Overkill)

Thank's a lot for your words, searching in my technological bunker , I found these cards:
- Voodoo 3 3000 agp
- Geforce 5700 LE AGP
- Riva TNT2 M64 AGP
- S3 virge ticket to ride PCI
- I have one gift from a friend: P4 3HZ + 2 GB + 80 GB, mmmm I don't know what to do with this system , It may be a possible xp pc substitute?

With these new adquisitions and taking a look at your words and the others "Vogon boys" , look at my proposal:

- DOS pc (486): S3 trio pci + voodoo 1 + sound blaster 16 ISa + GUS ==>> old dos pc games and some glide compatible game.
- DOS + 98 pc (K6-2): Riva TNT 2 + voodoo 2 sli + sound blaster 64 ISA + 30 GB IDE HD==>> latest DOS games and 98 games.
- XP pc(2xPIII): voodoo 3 3000 + soun blaster 128 ( searching for a live value pci) ==>> XP games or I could put my new P4 instead Pentium III??

Thank's a lot for all your ideas and knowledge 😀

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- I have one gift from a friend: P4 3HZ + 2 GB + 80 GB, mmmm I don't know what to do with this system , It may be a possible xp pc substitute?

I'd say this is more of a high-end win98 machine. "XP only" games come in from 2003? onward and are more then a socket 478 P4 if you want loads of eye candy and high resolutions. Also consider the fact that lots of XP games have widescreen support and actually look better in 16:9 then they do in 4:3 as the UI takes up less screen space that way - to push widescreen over 720p you will need an 8800GT / Radeon 3850 - witch means PCI-E, meaning either an AM2/AM3 dual core machine ore LGA 775 core 2 duo. Personally I run a Q6600 / 8800GTS SLi for XP games and play at 1080p.

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With these new adquisitions and taking a look at your words and the others "Vogon boys" , look at my proposal:

- DOS pc (486): S3 trio pci + voodoo 1 + sound blaster 16 ISa + GUS ==>> old dos pc games and some glide compatible game.
- DOS + 98 pc (K6-2): Riva TNT 2 + voodoo 2 sli + sound blaster 64 ISA + 30 GB IDE HD==>> latest DOS games and 98 games.
- XP pc(2xPIII): voodoo 3 3000 + soun blaster 128 ( searching for a live value pci) ==>> XP games or I could put my new P4 instead Pentium III??

I dunno about the dual p3 XP machine. Like I mentioned above, it would be way to slow to max out XP era games. As a rule I consider any pseudo-modern single core / AGP machine a windows 98 rig - and trust me, playing Dungeon Keeper II at 1920x1080 on an Athlon 64 with a 6800GT can be loads of fun - DK II just doesn't like XP - the Qsound module will crash randomly and drop to desktop w/o warning.

To use both cpus you would be forced to run either XP or 2000 on a dual P3 machine since win98 doesn't do SMC - and out of the two I would recommend XP - but make sure to dual-boot 98 too - for those games that are only stable under it.

Here's some of my retro rigs - I have a dual-p3 in there: My retro rig collection - from 286 to Core 2 Quad! - photo heavy thread - updated periodically - and after screwing with it for a bit, I have to say a 1.4 GHz tualatin is far more useful because it's faster in win98.

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I'd say this is more of a high-end win98 machine. "XP only" games come in from 2003? onward and are more then a socket 478 P4 if you want loads of eye candy and high resolutions. Also consider the fact that lots of XP games have widescreen support and actually look better in 16:9 then they do in 4:3 as the UI takes up less screen space that way - to push widescreen over 720p you will need an 8800GT / Radeon 3850 - witch means PCI-E, meaning either an AM2/AM3 dual core machine ore LGA 775 core 2 duo. Personally I run a Q6600 / 8800GTS SLi for XP games and play at 1080p.

A P4 3GHz with 2GB RAM is way overpowered even as a high-end Win98 machine. Win98 wouldn't know what to do with half of the hardware or its abilities.

I do agree with you that it's not powerful enough to "max out" XP games, at least depending on your definition with "XP games". But it will still do OK for a large range of "XP games". Most of the newer and heavier ones run just fine on Vista+, and a quad-core like yours is really more suited for Vista+.

To me, a dual core is the sweet spot for XP, but if ones does not have one around, then a single core (like his) or a quad core (like yours) will do. 😎

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I'd say this is more of a high-end win98 machine. "XP only" games come in from 2003? onward and are more then a socket 478 P4 if you want loads of eye candy and high resolutions. Also consider the fact that lots of XP games have widescreen support and actually look better in 16:9 then they do in 4:3 as the UI takes up less screen space that way - to push widescreen over 720p you will need an 8800GT / Radeon 3850 - witch means PCI-E, meaning either an AM2/AM3 dual core machine ore LGA 775 core 2 duo. Personally I run a Q6600 / 8800GTS SLi for XP games and play at 1080p.

A P4 3GHz with 2GB RAM is way overpowered even as a high-end Win98 machine. Win98 wouldn't know what to do with half of the hardware or its abilities.

I do agree with you that it's not powerful enough to "max out" XP games, at least depending on your definition with "XP games". But it will still do OK for a large range of "XP games". Most of the newer and heavier ones run just fine on Vista+, and a quad-core like yours is really more suited for Vista+.

To me, a dual core is the sweet spot for XP, but if ones does not have one around, then a single core (like his) or a quad core (like yours) will do. 😎

If you want to play more demanding 2000-2001 games under win98 maxed out @ 1600x1200 you need a fast CPU. The ram is overkill - 1GB will do. More and win98 won't run. Then again those games will probably run fine on XP - with some exceptions.

If you install both XP and Win98se on the dual P-III system, you will have a nice Win98 machine and a lowend XP machine.
Keep the mem at 512mb for the dual P-III. And install the Voodoo3.
Then build a socket 939 or 775 system for highend XP gaming.

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If you install both XP and Win98se on the dual P-III system, you will have a nice Win98 machine and a lowend XP machine.
Keep the mem at 512mb for the dual P-III. And install the Voodoo3.
Then build a socket 939 or 775 system for highend XP gaming.

Ok my final RIG configs :
486 (s3 virge + vodoo 1)- dos early games
k6-II (tnt2 + vodoo2 sli)- dos latest games + w98 early games
pIII dual (voodoo 3)- w98 latests games + wxp early games
My actual computer ( with geforce gtx970 ) - highend XP + windows 7 actual gaming

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