That benchmark is all about the graphics card. A fast graphics card will double or triple your score.

The 2001 SE score is spot on I would say.

MrMateczko wrote:

I get around 12,4K points in 3DMark03 (and 22K in 3DMark 2001SE for that matter) under 98SE on my rig: […]
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I get around 12,4K points in 3DMark03 (and 22K in 3DMark 2001SE for that matter) under 98SE on my rig:

- ASRock K8Upgrade-NF3
- AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice overclocked to 2,4GHz
- 2x512MB DDR400 (two different sticks with different timings, the BIOS sets them up with the timings of the faster (less latency) RAM though) Command Rate set to 1T
- NVIDIA GeForce 6800GT 256MB, overclocked to 410MHz on core, and 530(eff. 1060) on memory. (if someone remembers my old posts, I finally got a good working card, even if it took 3 oven visits 😀)
- Samsung 80GB 7200RPM IDE drive connected using a 40pin IDE cable 😒

I was using the 77.72 drivers during testing at that time.
Is that good? I think I should be getting 12,6K or even 13K.
And no, I haven't done XP testings yet...and I I wanted to do, what driver version to use? There are too many of them, unlike just 8 versions on 98SE.

BTW. The 754 CPU prices here in Poland are ridiculous, for a price of my CPU I can buy a E5700...

You blew my 5950U/P4 2.8GHZ right out of the water so yeah I'm going to say that's good....

MrMateczko wrote:

Is that good? I think I should be getting 12,6K or even 13K.

So what makes you think that? And are you really that concerned about a 1.6-4.8% difference in performance?

If you're that concerned about making some kind of difference, you might as well just get that 80-conductor cable for your hard drive. (Presumably your chipset supports UDMA in Windows 98.)

Your scores are mostly being limited by the 6800GT. I don't know what the benchmark score differences are between Windows 98se and XP, but here are a couple of my results to compare with.
That's 1GHZ memory for the video card, nvidia control panel is doubling the ddr speed.

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

That benchmark is all about the graphics card. A fast graphics card will double or triple your score.

The 2001 SE score is spot on I would say.

I know that 03 is GPU dependant...or is it? I too think that 2001 SE score is good. PS. Love your videos!

Jorpho wrote:

So what makes you think that? And are you really that concerned about a 1.6-4.8% difference in performance?

If you're that concerned about making some kind of difference, you might as well just get that 80-conductor cable for your hard drive. (Presumably your chipset supports UDMA in Windows 98.)

I was simply looking at 10 years old benchmarks on the 6800 Ultra online from when the 6800 Ultra was relevant, I mostly saw those scores I mentioned.
I had two 80 pin IDE cables before which doubled the transfer speeds and worked correctly under 98SE...both of them broke though 😒

Imperious's first screenshot is very interesting, looks like that Pentium M do make a difference in achieving a score I would really like.
Also, your RAM timings are very low. Also this shows how Pentium M is really good.
The second screenshot shows much closely how my Athlon 64 is better than the P4 which is to expect.

Now, if only I do have some extra money, I might get that E5700 after all with the 775i65G R3.0, should be good.
PS2. I tried to do the 1.4v mod in the 6800GT BIOS, but as soon as the first test in 2001 SE was about to start, everything crashed. 😒 So I'm staying at 1.3v.

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

That benchmark is all about the graphics card. A fast graphics card will double or triple your score.

The 2001 SE score is spot on I would say.

No it's not. Older version of 3D mark are vastly cpu driven. Put a older card in a system with a really fast cpu and it can more then triple the score. 03 is far less cpu driven then 99-01 but 03 is still fairy cpu dependent.
The main problem is his cpu, overclock it some more and the score will only go up. To really get any gf6/7 cards to score well you'll need at least a c2d at 4.5+ ghz. The 6800gt at stock speeds should be getting around 14-15k with a faster cpu.

Jade Falcon wrote:

No it's not. Older version of 3D mark are vastly cpu driven.

Jade, not sure if you are talking about the same thing, but you mean that 03 is not heavily GPU dependent, then sorry, you don't know what you're talking about 😊

I've tested exactly of this just last week.

Jade Falcon wrote:

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

That benchmark is all about the graphics card. A fast graphics card will double or triple your score.

The 2001 SE score is spot on I would say.

No it's not. Older version of 3D mark are vastly cpu driven. Put a older card in a system with a really fast cpu and it can more then triple the score. 03 is far less cpu driven then 99-01 but 03 is still fairy cpu dependent.
The main problem is his cpu, overclock it some more and the score will only go up. To really get any gf6/7 cards to score well you'll need at least a c2d at 4.5+ ghz. The 6800gt at stock speeds should be getting around 14-15k with a faster cpu.

3DMark2003 is not CPU dependant at all. I can hit 10K in 3D'03 with a PIII-S @ 1575 and 6800GT. And pairing that 6800GT with a 2.8GHz A64 only increases the score to 12.9K.

So, is it CPU/GPU driven on not? The Imperious' first screenshot is bothering me...
How many points with an E5700 should I expect, if I wanted to get one?
I could try overclocking my CPU more, but it has a stock cooler, and the RAM is picky about it's frequencies, I think DDR410-415 is okay for them from what I remember, since overclocking the CPU, overclocks the RAM and HT Bus too 😒 I'll try to squeeze 12,6K (or even 12,8K) if I can 😜

Windows XP and 3DMark 03 :
My 6800 Ultra (stock AGP), got ~12,9k with Pentium 4 EE 3,2GHz @ 3,53GHz, and ~14,4k with E5700 @ 4GHz. So you can expect around +10% increase (maybe more - depends on platform optimisations you have now and on new rig).

Windows XP and 3DMark 01 SE (same GPU) :
~23,9k with Pentium 4 EE 3,2GHz @ 3,53GHz, and ~34,6k with E5700 @ 4GHz.
'01 SE really likes fast CPU's 😀

To ilustrate how much 3DM01SE Really likes CPU's 😁

Sadly I didn't tested 6800 Ultra on E5700 with Win 98 SE (only GX2 I own) 🙁
But seeing your results, you pretty much maxed out 3DM03 score for A64.
'01 SE score will go through the roof tho with a PDC E5700 😀

Hi agent_x007, I knew you would post on this eventually 😀

Will overclocking the GPU Memory really benefit? And even if, will it more than the GPU Core overclock? My ghetto cooler on the 6800GT do cool memory to some extent (pictures soon 😁) I still do not have the memory speeds of the Ultra. I want similar scores as your P4 EE if that's possible.

On the other hand, I guess with the E5700 (stock) and my GPU, I should be getting around 14k on 03 and 32k on 2001 SE? Not too much of a increase TBH. Is my rig really the best I can do then? If so, that's good 😜

To give some perspective, consider an Athlon 64 running at 2.4 GHz. A GeForce 7 type card might give you something in the 13k's in 03, but use a GeForce 9 type card and you will get you something in the 30k's.

I remember reading that the GPU companies complained to Futuremark that 2001 doesn't show what their cards can do, so 03 changed that 😀

I'm not 100% sure about 98 though, my findings are based on XP.

I guess I should have posted these 2 as well to back up what is being said here. I may as well put the 7800gs scores up too.

Standard Def Steve wrote:

Jade Falcon wrote:

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

That benchmark is all about the graphics card. A fast graphics card will double or triple your score.

The 2001 SE score is spot on I would say.

No it's not. Older version of 3D mark are vastly cpu driven. Put a older card in a system with a really fast cpu and it can more then triple the score. 03 is far less cpu driven then 99-01 but 03 is still fairy cpu dependent.
The main problem is his cpu, overclock it some more and the score will only go up. To really get any gf6/7 cards to score well you'll need at least a c2d at 4.5+ ghz. The 6800gt at stock speeds should be getting around 14-15k with a faster cpu.

3DMark2003 is not CPU dependant at all. I can hit 10K in 3D'03 with a PIII-S @ 1575 and 6800GT. And pairing that 6800GT with a 2.8GHz A64 only increases the score to 12.9K.

I don't think you mean what you said. It is hitting a scaling limit as CPU power increases, but it certainly hasn't hit that limit on your PIII-S. An A64 appears to remove that limit let alone a C2D. However, the fact that there was an increase at all indicates some CPU dependency.

Bear in mind I want to use 98SE only, so no HD3850 for me, which is sad, because it's the best AGP card. (better than HD4670 AFAIK) Imperious' scores with it are amazing, even on the P4.
About the 7800GS scores (which does work under 98SE), well, it's not really worth it for me, and I read that the 7xxx cards under 98SE are only good for 3DMark 2001 SE, and 03 and nothing else, as games simply crash.
I know there's the Radeon X850 XT PE, but it does not have Shader Model 3.0, which is actually something I might need under 98SE, as crazy as that might sound.

Here's some of my scores:

A64 3800+ / GF 6800LE:

P4 631 + X800XT cpu is holding the card back - pretty sure I could score 14k with this after minor tweaking and some heavy overclocking on the CPU side.

Now some of my better scores - 2x 7950GT in SLi on a Pentium D 945 running at 3.75GHz:

8800GTS + Q6600 @ 3GHz:

My 6800LE modded to GT (16p) seems to score better under XP then it does under 98:

Thanks for the screens kanecvr, now I have more understanding of what should I score after I push my rig to the max.
Can your try 3DMark03 with the A64 and modded 6800LE under 98SE? Use an older build of 03. (or KernelEx and -nosysteminfo switch on the latest build like me 😀)
Also, that Radeon X800XT is really packing a punch, I wish it had 3.0 shaders, it would a no brainer for me! And they are not that expensive!

MrMateczko wrote:

Thanks for the screens kanecvr, now I have more understanding of what should I score after I push my rig to the max.
Can your try 3DMark03 with the A64 and modded 6800LE under 98SE? Use an older build of 03. (or KernelEx and -nosysteminfo switch on the latest build like me 😀)
Also, that Radeon X800XT is really packing a punch, I wish it had 3.0 shaders, it would a no brainer for me! And they are not that expensive!

Unfortunately kernelex breaks my win98 install so I can't help you there... The X800XT is about on par with the 6800GT. The X850XT is the one to keep an eye out for - it's a little faster then the 6800 ultra. As for P M3.0 - I don't miss it - none of the games that machine will run require SM 3.0, let alone win98 games.