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EDIT: Oh boy, I'm not sure how to shrink these gigantic pictures down
2 - pictures shrunk to 25%.. Doubt anybody cares for originals

Short version: I have some spare stuff, want to build an early - mid/late 90s DOS gamer w/ Qbasic (or Quick). Win9x not really necessary at all, but I don't care for anything absolutely era perfect right now. I need suggestions on what to buy from ebay or similar.

Hi guys, fresh blood here. I've been lurking this site on and off for a long time but I never really had to time to take an interest in my old joys. I won't be a one time post and vanish guy 😀. I didn't see a new user / rules thread so hopefully I stay in line 😈

Anyway, I've recently moved and have been digging through my old treasures and figure I'd like to build a machine to reflect the heyday of my early computing years. So far I've unearthed Robin Hood: Conquests of the Longbow (dated 1992) disks 1-5 but can't locate the startup disk, fingers are crossed 😊, and a bunch of disks containing Qbasic programs I wrote around 20 years ago I can't wait to see what lives (if anything remains) on them.

That said I'm mostly looking to run MS-DOS 5.0 era + software/games with a budget of whatever the cheapest stuff I can cobble together for starters, a laptop isn't out of the question but it doesn't matter, going on a basement work bench. I have a lot of spare parts I can use for a desktop though, or maybe flip on ebay to fund this project. It's been many years so input on what I should be hunting on eBay and using from my parts bins would be appreciated.

I still have a lot to go through, most of this stuff hasn't seen the light of day for decades. I do know for sure that I never kept motherboards due to space constraints, oldest boards I have on tap are LGA775. I just put together a P4 Northwood + Geforce 5200, but I have zero interest in an XP era machine.

I kept all this stuff vacuum sealed, some of it looks virtually brand new, and oh god the smell the smell.. It smells like the old egghead store, silicon overdose!

CPUs:
Found a little container labeled s5-7 (socket 5-7), don't know how the Athlon ended up in there.
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AMD K6-2 300mhz
AMD K6-2 350mhz
Pentium A80502 100mhz
Pentium A80502 133mhz
Pentium MMX BP80503233, guessing this is a 233mhz I would have ran in a socket 7
AMD-K7650MTR51B R 650 mhz (no interest in Slot A)
K6 chips are probably too fast and I see super 7 boards are a little pricey these days, I didn't save any sadly. So I could probably build around the Pentium 100 or 133, or just buy a 486 as I doubt they go for much, whatever works best. The 133 is probably somewhere in between Epic and Overkill for this as is 😈, that would require a regular socket 7 board if my memory is working, is that correct?

Ahhh I found some real treasure close to my heart, SOUND CARDS:
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Sound blaster CT1600 Pro 2 (with the YMF262 OPL3 synth chip). This sound card is the music of my youth, I hope it works!
Packard Bell ???? - I know it's an Aztec card and I see another YMF232 on it, does anybody know anything about this card? I think this was pulled from a friends machine.

Assorted Graphics:
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Radeon 9800 Pro "All-in-wonder" - far too new to care, I think this one may have had some memory issues before it was pulled.
Geforce FX 5200 - Too much, don't care!
Hercules 3d Prophet 4000XT 32MB(actually works, needs a fan) - Still probably too much for this
Diamon Stealth 3d 2000 pro 4MB - Hmm, I remember buying this around '97. This could be useful maybe?
Radeon 7000? I'm not sure if this is a 32 or 64MB model, but still a much newer card.
Random pci to IDE and winTV tuner card..

I'm not sure what I would want here, won't I be needing a combo 2d and 3d cards? If so what should I be looking at?

Memory lane: (sadly this drive died many years ago, I remember losing a lot of files and being sad)
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I've also located a bunch of IDE hard drives ranging from 20 to 80 gigs, all tested and working with that lga775 pc I slapped together. I do not have any drives outside of IDE or SATA so adapters may be needed.

That's about it for today, I think I have a few PCI NIC cards and other misc stuff. I have plenty of fans but no spare case, esp not for AT boards.

So what should I do, is any of this stuff worth my time or should I just dump it on ebay? If you guys can post links maybe show me some boards to look at on ebay or just mention them. I also can't remember which connectors were in use back then for power supplies, 20 pin ATX? I'd need to buy one. I also can't find any disk drives short of a few IDE interface CD-Roms

Lastly, if I go the laptop route, do any come with sound blaster cards? I'd love to use that SB pro II but close will suffice, no sound blaster is no deal for me though 😊

Thanks for reading this mess

Last edited by BeginnerGuy on 2016-12-19, 10:59. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 1 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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Bunch of ram.. DDR-PC100-300.. no idea what the ones to the left are, 72 pin compatible with socket 7? Random 4gb kit of mobile ddr2 got in there some how.

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Does anybody recognize what socket(s) these little buggers would have come from?

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I don't know anything about this card at all.. Did some google searching and found they were a flop AGP card in the late PCI era, couldn't find a single exact replica of this card, never heard of the brand Mira on the memory ICs either. This was bought at a garage sale some 15~ years ago. Not that it's really relevant for a retro PC, but it's an interesting little card I don't know much of anything about.

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Vic 20 perfectly preserved with all the documentation for my Atari stuff.. Sadly the power cable (pretty sure this had an external supply brick) and video cable are missing so I can't test it out 🙁

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Reply 2 of 17, by ODwilly

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Welcome to the forums! From your stash of parts I would say that a Socket 7 machine would be perfect for you, socket 7 boards come in AT as well as ATX form factors. The Pentium 100-233 would all be compatible. That Diamond 2000 is an S3 Virge card and very DOS game friendly/compatible. Those green heatsinks look to be socket 7, and socket 7 motherboards either use 72pin SIMM memory or pc66-133mhz ram.

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Reply 4 of 17, by melbar

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Here an overview of boards, for your socket 5/7 cpu's.

  • socket 7:
    FIC PA-2007 (VIA Apollo VP2)
    FIC PA-2005 (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Gigabyte GA-586TX3 (Intel TX)
    ASUS TX97 (Intel TX)
    Soyo SY-5EAS (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Matsonic MS-5120 / PC-Chips M547 (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Gigabyte GA-586ATV (Intel VX)
    Intel AA 682294 (Intel TX)
    Elitegroup TS54PAIO (Intel FX)
    Biostar MB-8500TVX-A (Intel VX)
    FIC VA-502 (Intel VX)
    PC-Chips M571 V 7.0A (SiS 5598)
    Soyo 5TC2 (Intel Triton FX)
    Gigabyte GA-586HX (Intel HX)
    FIC PA-2002 Motherboard (VIA Apollo Master)
    Shuttle HOT-541 (Intel FX)
    QDI Explorer P5I430VX (Intel VX)
    ASUS P/I-P55TP4XE
    ASUS P/I-P55T2P4 (Intel HX)
    Soyo SY-5TF
    Soyo 5TD2
    PC-Chips M537 (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Shuttle HOT-557
  • super-socket 7:
    ASUS P5A (Acer ALi Aladdin V)
    Gigabyte GA-5AA (Acer ALi Aladdin V)
    Shuttle HOT-591P (VIA MVP3)
    ASUS SP97-V (SiS 5582)
    ASUS P5A-B Rev. 1.05 (Aladdin V)
    Jetway J-542C (ALi Aladdin V)
    PC-Chips M577 (VIA MVP3)
    Chaintech 5AGM2 (VIA MVP3)

Try to get some info's about the board (you'll find on the marketplace) before buying...

#1 K6-2/500 [VIA MVP3]
#2 Athlon1200 [VIA KT133]
#3 Celeron1000A [i815EP]
#4 A64-3700 [nF4-4X]
#5 P4HT-3200 [i865pe]
#6 P4-2800 [i845]
#7 Am486DX2-66 [SiS 85C461]

Reply 5 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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ODwilly wrote:

Welcome to the forums! From your stash of parts I would say that a Socket 7 machine would be perfect for you, socket 7 boards come in AT as well as ATX form factors. The Pentium 100-233 would all be compatible. That Diamond 2000 is an S3 Virge card and very DOS game friendly/compatible. Those green heatsinks look to be socket 7, and socket 7 motherboards either use 72pin SIMM memory or pc66-133mhz ram.

Thanks for the welcome! I figured I'd be going that route since most of what I own is centered around that era. Just stinks I can't find a board in all these things I have. Good to know about the graphics card, now all the S3D branding is coming back in a flashback. The heat sinks are for socket 7, according to the giant "socket 7 heatsinks" sharpied on the box that I somehow missed 😎

I'm pretty sure that kit of 2 sticks on the left hand side of the picture in my second post is 72pin SIMM but I'm not positive, no stickers on them.

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Reply 6 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:

And the journey begins 🤣

But beware, retro hardware can consume you 😊

Hehe thanks for the warning, I can see that as this idea has been brewing in the back of my mind all day. I can hear the OPL3 singing in my head already 😊

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Here an overview of boards, for your socket 5/7 cpu's. […]
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Here an overview of boards, for your socket 5/7 cpu's.

  • socket 7:
    FIC PA-2007 (VIA Apollo VP2)
    FIC PA-2005 (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Gigabyte GA-586TX3 (Intel TX)
    ASUS TX97 (Intel TX)
    Soyo SY-5EAS (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Matsonic MS-5120 / PC-Chips M547 (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Gigabyte GA-586ATV (Intel VX)
    Intel AA 682294 (Intel TX)
    Elitegroup TS54PAIO (Intel FX)
    Biostar MB-8500TVX-A (Intel VX)
    FIC VA-502 (Intel VX)
    PC-Chips M571 V 7.0A (SiS 5598)
    Soyo 5TC2 (Intel Triton FX)
    Gigabyte GA-586HX (Intel HX)
    FIC PA-2002 Motherboard (VIA Apollo Master)
    Shuttle HOT-541 (Intel FX)
    QDI Explorer P5I430VX (Intel VX)
    ASUS P/I-P55TP4XE
    ASUS P/I-P55T2P4 (Intel HX)
    Soyo SY-5TF
    Soyo 5TD2
    PC-Chips M537 (VIA Apollo VPX)
    Shuttle HOT-557
  • super-socket 7:
    ASUS P5A (Acer ALi Aladdin V)
    Gigabyte GA-5AA (Acer ALi Aladdin V)
    Shuttle HOT-591P (VIA MVP3)
    ASUS SP97-V (SiS 5582)
    ASUS P5A-B Rev. 1.05 (Aladdin V)
    Jetway J-542C (ALi Aladdin V)
    PC-Chips M577 (VIA MVP3)
    Chaintech 5AGM2 (VIA MVP3)

Try to get some info's about the board (you'll find on the marketplace) before buying...

Thank you very much! Some of the chipset names are bringing some memories back, I remember friends putting down huge money on those Aladdin V boards for the huge bus speed boost. I'll be looking them over tonight and seeing about some deals.

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Reply 7 of 17, by buckeye

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:

And the journey begins 🤣

But beware, retro hardware can consume you 😊

Yoda: "the Dark Side" consume you it will!

Intel D865GL Pentium 4 2.4ghz. 512MB DDR 400 Geforce2 Ultra 64MB SB Audigy 500W 98SE
Intel SE440BX P3 450 256MB 40GB Voodoo 3000 16MB SB 32pnp 350W 98SE
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Reply 8 of 17, by ODwilly

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Yep! Looks like the ram on the left is a pair of 72pin Simms and the rest look to all be SDRAM. So really all you need is a good motherboard.

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Reply 9 of 17, by Tetrium

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Welcome aboard! 😁

If ss7 stuff seems too expensive, there may be some ATX s7 boards available.
It might be cheaper to get an AT s7 board, but then again sourcing a case and suitable PSU might be a problem.

Since you don't have any boards, you might want to prioritize on getting a couple of those.

Have you considered building a time machine?

Some members have recently been experimenting with using a VIA C3 and s370 instead of K6-something and ss7 for a slowdown rig. VIA C3 is very slow compared to Coppermine and these can be slowed down using software.

And if you're in it for the long run, there's more ways to acquire parts then only Ebay, though it is getting increasingly hard to find an old uncle who still has a couple 486's and Pentiums collecting dust, but it may be worth a try anyway.

And keep in mind that there were probably hundreds of different model numbers for motherboards using s7.

Good luck! 😁

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

And the journey begins 🤣

But beware, retro hardware can consume you 😊

It will consume more than just him 🤣!

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Reply 10 of 17, by tayyare

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I think that the priority is having a socket 7 board, much preferably an ATX one (or you need to fiddle with older cases and PSUs).

Other than that, you already have most of the components on hand (CPUs, sound cards, SDRAM modules, proper VGA cards, HDDs, etc.).

Sound Blaster Pro you have is a huge bonus.

Hercules 3d Prophet is of course an interesting card (Kyro) but Diamond Stealth 3d 2000 (S3 Virge) probably will be more fitting to your purpose. You might look for a Voodoo1 to add later.

Good luck! 🤣

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Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
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Reply 11 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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buckeye wrote:
PhilsComputerLab wrote:

And the journey begins 🤣

But beware, retro hardware can consume you 😊

Yoda: "the Dark Side" consume you it will!

I was already consumed by the retro hardware when it was new hardware 😎, those cpus were all in my computers at one point or another years ago. I am getting bored of modern hardware though, so I can see your point 😊

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Yep! Looks like the ram on the left is a pair of 72pin Simms and the rest look to all be SDRAM. So really all you need is a good motherboard.

Awesome, provided they still work! Thank you, working out what motherboard I want to get.

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Reply 12 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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Tetrium wrote:
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Welcome aboard! 😁

If ss7 stuff seems too expensive, there may be some ATX s7 boards available.
It might be cheaper to get an AT s7 board, but then again sourcing a case and suitable PSU might be a problem.

Since you don't have any boards, you might want to prioritize on getting a couple of those.

Have you considered building a time machine?

Some members have recently been experimenting with using a VIA C3 and s370 instead of K6-something and ss7 for a slowdown rig. VIA C3 is very slow compared to Coppermine and these can be slowed down using software.

And if you're in it for the long run, there's more ways to acquire parts then only Ebay, though it is getting increasingly hard to find an old uncle who still has a couple 486's and Pentiums collecting dust, but it may be worth a try anyway.

And keep in mind that there were probably hundreds of different model numbers for motherboards using s7.

Good luck! 😁

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

And the journey begins 🤣

But beware, retro hardware can consume you 😊

It will consume more than just him 🤣!

Hmm not sure I want to go as far as a newer machined slowed down, is that what a 'time machine' is? S7 is a little more than I originally had in mind but I think would be the most convenient, I should have a few 486 chips boxed away too but like you said, the biggest expense is going to be having a case and power supply for it shipped here. I also just realized I junked my CRTs some years ago so I'll have to blaspheme using VGA on a newer LCD for a while.

I have to pause and figure out what to do for a power supply, I *may* have some ATX to AT power converters stashed away but not sure, and I'm also contemplating what I would do for sound cards. I think my SB Pro 2 would work but if I want to move up to an AWE32, I vividly remember those needing a 5v power plug that I don't think I'll get with an ATX supply. Are there any modern AT power supplies that aren't total junk? A quick search of newegg is showing me these cheap Athena brands that I usually avoid at all costs, I don't feel like investing in a machine that blows right up 😜. I'm sure this is a common question around here.

Where can I look besides ebay? I don't have the means right now to cruise around for craigslist pickups, estate sales etc, I just moved and actually will not have a vehicle for some time. This build will be confined to the internet. Sadly, I am the uncle who would have the spare 486 chips collecting dust 😵 . Thanks for the help

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Reply 13 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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tayyare wrote:
I think that the priority is having a socket 7 board, much preferably an ATX one (or you need to fiddle with older cases and PSU […]
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I think that the priority is having a socket 7 board, much preferably an ATX one (or you need to fiddle with older cases and PSUs).

Other than that, you already have most of the components on hand (CPUs, sound cards, SDRAM modules, proper VGA cards, HDDs, etc.).

Sound Blaster Pro you have is a huge bonus.

Hercules 3d Prophet is of course an interesting card (Kyro) but Diamond Stealth 3d 2000 (S3 Virge) probably will be more fitting to your purpose. You might look for a Voodoo1 to add later.

Good luck! 🤣

I think this is the route for me, this way I can just grab a crap ATX case on sale with free shipping and a more contemporary PSU, I'm sure i'll find a beige case somewhere later if I wait. If I want to dig into other add-on cards that need 5v then I should probably have the money to worry about powering it at that time too 😎. I'm getting a little tempted by a few beaten up Compaq laptops from the p1 era as well to get started, I see I can grab those for around the same price as a decent s7 board 😎, but I've never really been into laptops

edit: I dug through a few more boxes and found a couple of laptops.. IBM thinkpads, one with a WIN98 SE sticker on it model A20m, I'm not sure if this is a Pentium III or celeron. Sadly no adapters to test it out. Do they make universal adapters for laptops? I have quite a few I could test out and then sell, could use the cash towards a good desktop 😀

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Reply 14 of 17, by ODwilly

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The SIS 530 based motherboards look like good options. Tend to be cheaper, be standard ATX vs AT, have graphics and audio integrated that you dont have to use, and support K6 processors even. Like this here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-SPAX-rev-1-01-Mo … WoAAOSwHMJYL4h2

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Reply 15 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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ODwilly wrote:

The SIS 530 based motherboards look like good options. Tend to be cheaper, be standard ATX vs AT, have graphics and audio integrated that you dont have to use, and support K6 processors even. Like this here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-SPAX-rev-1-01-Mo … WoAAOSwHMJYL4h2

Very nice thank you, I'm trying to see if I can find some documentation for the board in case I need it, seeing that it was an OEM board from an HP I don't see much for. The price is right though, maybe I'll grab it 😎

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Reply 16 of 17, by tayyare

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BeginnerGuy wrote:

...I dug through a few more boxes and found a couple of laptops.. IBM thinkpads, one with a WIN98 SE sticker on it model A20m, I'm not sure if this is a Pentium III or celeron. Sadly no adapters to test it out. Do they make universal adapters for laptops? I have quite a few I could test out and then sell, could use the cash towards a good desktop 😀

I think these might work for you:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Mains-AC-DC … nMAAOSwYSlXh29J

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8pcs-Hot-Universal-AC … hgAAOSwA3dYRiyG

I just picked them in random, you need to check if the polarity is adjustable too, and if the output current is enough for your laptops.

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 17 of 17, by BeginnerGuy

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tayyare wrote:
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BeginnerGuy wrote:

...I dug through a few more boxes and found a couple of laptops.. IBM thinkpads, one with a WIN98 SE sticker on it model A20m, I'm not sure if this is a Pentium III or celeron. Sadly no adapters to test it out. Do they make universal adapters for laptops? I have quite a few I could test out and then sell, could use the cash towards a good desktop 😀

I think these might work for you:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Mains-AC-DC … nMAAOSwYSlXh29J

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8pcs-Hot-Universal-AC … hgAAOSwA3dYRiyG

I just picked them in random, you need to check if the polarity is adjustable too, and if the output current is enough for your laptops.

Ah thank you, I just ordered a similar (probably the same) one from a US dealer, both of the thinkpads take 16 volts / 4.5A, replacements work for both. I got the universal though because I have a bunch of other dud laptops laying around i'd like to try to fix and resell 😀

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