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First post, by C0deHunter

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Dear All,
I recently purchased the following:

1) A complete DELL Dimension XPS T750r (PIII-750MHz)

2) Loose ABIT BH-6 Motherboard, with PIII-433MHz (I have a loose PIII-800E that I salvaged from a Gateway 2000 system, and it runs just fine in the Abit)

3) A complete custom built system (JadeTec Workstation), P233-MMX

4) 1 Sound Blaster GOLD AWE64

5) 1 Sound Blaster Non GOLD AWE64

6) Sound Blaster 16 NIB (complete with 4X CD-ROM and Speakers)

7) Riva TNT (Diamond Viper550) AGP

8 - Diamond_Stealth_3D_2000

9) ATi Rage 128 Pro

10) Various PC-133/PC-100 RAM (enough that I can allocate a minimum of 512MB to each system)

11) Roland Sound Canvas SC-55 MKII

13) A brand new Beige Case (bought from eBay, is from late 90s)

At the moment, I am using the DELL on Win98SE, with AWE64 GOLD, RIVA TNT, and installed some Win98 games, and few DOS games (to be run under "pure" DOS mode of Win98SE), and consider it my *main* system.

The Custom built P233-MMX also runs Win98SE, and I mostly installed DOS games and runs in "pure" DOS mode.

The Abit-BH6 is housed inside a modern black case (Thermal Master TC-102, which I don't like), and is running Win98SE, with the none GOLD AWE64, and ATi Rage 128 Pro.

Although the DELL seem solid, something tells me that the Abit *deserves better*, and I should make it *THE* primary system, with all of the BEST hardware that I have inside it. (Riva TNT, AWE64 Gold, New Beige case, SC-55MKII, etc.)

I know that its recommended to make one older system for pure DOS, and the newer PIII systems for Win98SE games (QuakeII, Unreal, etc.), but I would like to make one single system that has best of the two worlds. (Unless I can install MS-DOS 6.22 and Win98SE at the same drive, and choose between them, but I have forgotten how!)

What would you do, which one would you designate as your main system?

I really appreciate your comments and input!

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 1 of 4, by zyga64

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C0deHunter wrote:

2) Loose ABIT BH-6 Motherboard, with PIII-433MHz

This is probably either Celeron 433 or Pentium 3 650 (433/66 = 6.5, 6.5x100 = 650). Or even P.3 866 (6.5x133). There were no P3 with 66Mhz bus (for desktop). Slowest P3 was 450.

Unless you want to play very old DOS games, I would say - go for Abit. Its BIOS is very flexible (you may change FSB there), and DOS + BX + P3 is very good combination.

1) VLSI SCAMP /286@20 /4M /CL-GD5422 /CMI8330
2) i420EX /486DX33 /16M /TGUI9440 /GUS+ALS100+MT32PI
3) i430FX /K6-2@400 /64M /Rage Pro PCI /ES1370+YMF718
4) i440BX /P!!!750 /256M /MX440 /SBLive!
5) iB75 /3470s /4G /HD7750 /HDA

Reply 2 of 4, by hasnopants

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Something you could consider is using the SetMul (I think its written by one of the great VOGONS members!) program to disable in software your L1 and L2 Cache to play older DOS games correctly. It really opened up compatibility for me...alternatively you can go to the BIOS and do that but it becomes a pain trying to remember what games need artificial slow down and what games do not.

I'd say its entirely possible to make a Win98SE machine that plays DOS games with decent compatibility through Win 98's DOS this way. I personally have a 95 machine with a P233 MMX as my "old DOS" machine. Using Setmul I can run almost all of the DOS games I want while in Win 95 still. I also run an original ISA SB 16 for further compatibility.

Just off memory I think there was only be 1 or 2 that I just couldn't get to go, and only a few that required me to load directly to DOS to work.

Current Systems:
DIP40|8088|640K|HERCULESGB102|PCSPKR
DIP40|V20|640K|VGA|ADLIB/TNDY/COVOX
S7|P233MMX|128M|S3ViRGEDX/DM3D|SB16
S370|P600MMX|256M|SIS630/DM3DIIX2|SBLIVE!5.1
S775|P43.4|2G|6800GS|SBAUDIGY

Reply 3 of 4, by Cobra42898

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Do you have a KVM? If you're in the same boat as me, you have multiple systems, and you like them all, but switching kb/mouse/monitor each time is a pain, and having 3-4 of each is severely cluttered. I think when you can press a switch and just power on each system, it makes the choices easier. I'd consider the 233 system as a pure Dos/win3.1 system, so long as confining yourself to the fat16 HDD setup isn't a big problem. I'd consider maxing out the Dell system with what you have. Any os from 98/me/2000pro/xp would be fine since you'll have a ton of ram for that era. The one in between should be a fun toy in that that mb should allow for a ton of adjustment, which is nice if you're trying to get a sweet spot for a certain game or whatever.

If I we're doing mostly 80s Dos gaming, I'd be more into the 233. For more modern gaming either of the other two would do. Maybe one as an xp box and the other as a 98 box? Maybe 2000 pro with a few 120gb hdds on one and make it a file server for your mp3s?

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Reply 4 of 4, by C0deHunter

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Thanks for you kind and informative input. OK, I forgot to mention that I also acquired a loose Gateway 2000 MoBo with PIII-800E combo (salvaged it from the beat-up case), and it appears to be an Intel WS440BX motherboard!

I tested it, and works beautifully, better than the Abit-BH6, as the Abit has an issue with the BIOS, that does not save the settings into the battery. (and I am too lazy to trace, fix!)

I was thinking maybe I should get this Intel WS440BX mobo/PIII-800E into a recently purchased beige case, and make it as another primary one (besides the DELL XPS T750r), for Win98SE and some DOS games.

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)