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First post, by KitsuneFoxy

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Hi guys.

I've got my old Viglen (oringinally a 233 pII) computer and i did manage to put 98SE on it at somepoint with Raid 0, but it crashes a lot, VXD errors and other things.

So i wanted to Start from afresh. However there are so many "service packs" and patches. I have no idea what i'd need. There is a Service pack three ( http://www.htasoft.com/u98sesp/ ) out there thats updated, but then you've got Service pack 2 and all those other patches with it, i dont know what i'm supposed to install right off the bat, or slipstream into the ISO

My system (has been upgraded)
Intel AL440LX Slot 1 With a 433 Celeron CPU using a slot one to 370 adapter. ( https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/5029 … p-Board-AL440LX )
384mb PC 133 RAM
Riva tnt2 M64 32mb AGP 2x That i bought new like twenty years ago.(can't seem to find any other cards to fit the old spec)
A Philips Soundcard
An Old Realtek ISA network card.
A Silicon Image Medley PCI Raid card hooked to two 40GB drives.
1 CD and 1 dvd hooked direct to the board.

From what i remember. I had to install the SI softwa\re first of anything else, in a specific order otherwise the system would crash.
Right now the system just crashes whenever it wants, locked up and throws that coloured graphics at the top of the screen. sometimes VXD relating the raid card errors too. I dont know if it's running out of memory? It shouldnt.

But yeah.. basically, I just wanted to know the best thing to do for a fully correct install of 98SE with all the fixes/patches and stuff.

Reply 1 of 7, by chinny22

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For troubleshooting install the Win98SE and the RAID drivers.
I've never booted off a RAID in Win98, let alone that specific controller so not sure if you need to specify the raid drivers during install or if the card nativity does this so setup just sees a single 40GB drive.

See how that goes first, then start installing the other drivers one by one. I'd probably try the chipset drivers next as could see them potentially screwing up the raid drivers.

I wouldn't bother with any of the unofficial updates, 1/2 the time they cause more problems then they solve. The minimal updates are usually better, If something your installing requires IE? or DirectX Whatever, etc, etc then by all means install it but really no need otherwise

Reply 2 of 7, by KitsuneFoxy

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Raid does work with 98se. The card does all the work and during install has no issue with it getting installed, but the first thing you have to do is install it's software/drivers before anything else. Though, i suppose, It is a bit too much effort.
But will keep at it.

I've never really seen chipset drivers for the 440 series on any machine, other than the agp driver.

So, dont install any update or bug fixes? As for minimal updates what are those? SP2?

Thanks for the response!

Reply 3 of 7, by retardware

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For my 1990s' K6 system I had to use a Promise Raid card to get a (relatively new) SATA drives attached, as I wanted to avoid worn-out old IDE drives.
I had to search for a SATA card with its own BIOS, and try out a number of cards until I found one that actually works fine with that obsolete OS..
So there is no need for drivers at all.
No driver, no problem 😀

Reply 4 of 7, by KitsuneFoxy

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retardware wrote:
For my 1990s' K6 system I had to use a Promise Raid card to get a (relatively new) SATA drives attached, as I wanted to avoid wo […]
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For my 1990s' K6 system I had to use a Promise Raid card to get a (relatively new) SATA drives attached, as I wanted to avoid worn-out old IDE drives.
I had to search for a SATA card with its own BIOS, and try out a number of cards until I found one that actually works fine with that obsolete OS..
So there is no need for drivers at all.
No driver, no problem 😀

That is fair enough :>
I just want to keep mine period 1990s :>

Though my card has its own bios that you create the array in and such.

Reply 5 of 7, by chinny22

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Oh, I've got raid setup on one of my Win98 PC's but its my data drive not the boot drive. I was surprised how well it worked 😀

but if the card's bios as retardware said its responsible for doing all the work, Win98 will see it as a standard hard drive controller.
The software is just a gui for same settings in its BIOS, Of course its still fun to have though 😀

It may be that installing the software is also updating built in drivers for the raid card and thats causing the problem.
If you extract your newer drivers to a CD or separate partition you should also find a bunch of inf files.
During Windows setup if you pick the option to specify driver location and point it back these inf files it should install the new drivers from scratch.

Phils got a page with the latest chipset drivers, easier to navigate then Intel's own page.
https://www.philscomputerlab.com/intel-chipset-drivers.html

As I'm already on Phils page the latest TNT drivers are nvidia_9x_71.84.zip
https://www.philscomputerlab.com/nvidia-9x-gr … cs-drivers.html

Minimum updates are.
Direct X, Version is down to games and personal preference, although the final version of 9 dated 08 Dec 2006 is a good place to start
http://falconfly.3dfx.pl/directx.htm

Possibly MS Windows Installer 2.0 (Office, Daemon Tools 3.47, etc require this)
https://web.archive.org/web/20051024012 ... stMsiA.exe

and really that's it for a gaming PC, everything else is personal preference.

Reply 6 of 7, by KitsuneFoxy

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Thanks so much for the help! I'll get that sorted as soon as i can.
Just for refeerence, my card is a Silicon Image SiI 0680 ATA/133 Controller as far as i am totally aware.
http://www.siig.com/media/files/manuals/0003/04-0369a.pdf
I dont think 98SE has inbuilt drivers for it.

Should i use Kernel ex? I did want to atleast be able to download things on the computer.

Reply 7 of 7, by chinny22

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Found a download for its drivers, not a very new one so not much use but the readme confirms how your doing it. Install windows then the drivers so I'd ignore me and keep doing it your way 😀
IE6 will work, that's what I use on mine, but really I use a modern PC to download and dump the file on the network rather then use the 98 PC.
But that's just me, others don't install any browser at all and others like to see how far they can use it as a daily and use something like kernel ex, so if that's what you want to do go for it, your PC, your hobby, your rules, It's not like 1 specific setup is the correct way and rest of us are wrong 😀