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First post, by Lukedaniel

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Hi guys i brought a random pentium pro in a local shop for next to nothing and wanted to see what windows was like on it so ive been hunting a motherboard wich is rather hard in uk i brought this off ebay its a ECS Elitegroup P6FX1-A from the usa from the screw holes it looks atx format to me is this correct ? i have to find a case for it next 😀

thanks people

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Reply 1 of 19, by dionb

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Yep. this is a very early full ATX board. It shows its age by having AT power connectors as well as ATX (DO NOT use both at the same time!) and a single row of external ports as opposed to two in later models. You'll have some fun finding a matching backplate...

Other fun: the Dallas DS128(8)7 RTC will almost certainly have a flat battery and need replacing or modding with an external battery. If it's socketed, it's easy, if it's soldered, enjoy 😉

Reply 2 of 19, by Skyscraper

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My tip is to do the Dallas RTC module modding without removing the RTC unless it's socketed. There are plenty of guides out there if you Google "Dallas RTC battery mod" or similar.

I usually burn away the resin using a soldering iron (the smell is wonderful) until I get access to the leads going from the bent RTC battery pins to the battery in the resin ontop. Mounting a CR2032 holder ontop of the Dallas package using hotglue works well or use longer leads and mount the battery somewhere else.

Last edited by Skyscraper on 2019-03-26, 21:47. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 4 of 19, by Skyscraper

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If you use an ATX power supply I think it's likely the board will keep the settings until you disconnect the system from the mains.

But with a socketed RTC the mod is really easy so there is no reason not to do it. Just protect the pins on the RTC so they dont get too bent while doing the modding, they like to snap of.

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Reply 5 of 19, by dionb

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Socketed? You're lucky. You can do the mod (I tend to do it with a Dremel, same idea as above though) or just replace. If you go for the latter, be aware that most sellers on eBay sell old chips which will be just as dead. Choose a reputable local supplier of new stuff instead (reichelt.de has good stuff).

As for impact, best-case you lose clock & any BIOS settings. Worst case it might not boot.

Reply 7 of 19, by Skyscraper

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Even modern PSUs as long as you can remove the 4 extra pins on the 24pin connector to make it a 20pin should work.

The Pentium Pro board only needs about 60W - 100W depending on addon cards and overclock so a weak 5V rail isn't a huge issue.

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Reply 11 of 19, by .legaCy

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Those boards with AT and ATX psu can have the power supply changed directly? or it has some jumper that need to be set ? like i have a spare atx psu that i use for testing but the board were on a AT case,with an AT psu, and i need to test with an atx.

Reply 12 of 19, by Brickpad

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Nice board. I see a pattern with ECS / Elitegroup boards - they love their white expansion slots / RTC socket. I have an ECS socket 7 board with the same color scheme, right down to the white RTC socket as well.

Reply 13 of 19, by liqmat

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Katmai500 wrote:

Did this board come from the Great Pentium Pro Haul here on vogons?

Good eye.

This board did come from the Pentium Pro haul of 2018. It has the correct backplate (which is also new old stock) and the Dallas is socketed. I normally just buy one of these and call it a day. Glitch over at VCF makes them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/273322727960?ul_noapp=true

or as wiretap pointed out in another thread (I completely forgot about this link)

https://www.tindie.com/products/glitchwrks/gw … acement-module/

Same guy, but a tad cheaper.

Reply 14 of 19, by SirNickity

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Nice looking board. I used to have a not-so-great opinion of ECS, but I'm starting to think that might not be fair. What I've seen recently has been pretty decent.

The RTC is not a big deal. You can still get replacement modules from Maxim, for one:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/max … 2C887-ND/956875

... but there are tons of alternatives out there as well. I made one recently, and several people posted to tell me other people had already done it, and done it better. 😉 Now there's a whole list for you to pick from:
Tick tock

I just got a PS/2 Model 30 with one of these, so I'll be building a second one. Will post the results -- whether worked or not -- when I get the dusty old thing cleaned up and re-capped.

Reply 16 of 19, by Deksor

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ECS used to be pretty decent before they bought PCChips in my opinion. Then the quality obviously changed for the worst.

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Reply 18 of 19, by manuelink64

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.legaCy wrote:

Those boards with AT and ATX psu can have the power supply changed directly? or it has some jumper that need to be set ? like i have a spare atx psu that i use for testing but the board were on a AT case,with an AT psu, and i need to test with an atx.

you can't select anything, they share the same powerlines, you can't put both power supplies at the same time. 😵
but you can mod and ATX supply to AT, I made it for my 486 😊 😎

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Reply 19 of 19, by .legaCy

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manuelink64 wrote:
.legaCy wrote:

Those boards with AT and ATX psu can have the power supply changed directly? or it has some jumper that need to be set ? like i have a spare atx psu that i use for testing but the board were on a AT case,with an AT psu, and i need to test with an atx.

you can't select anything, they share the same powerlines, you can't put both power supplies at the same time. 😵
but you can mod and ATX supply to AT, I made it for my 486 😊 😎

Cause i have 4 boards like that 2 are pcchips m598lmr, one is a pcchips that i don't know the model with a socket 370 (those xcel boards) and one with an intel chipset, and they don't work(probably due to bad caps), they all had the same issue( no post, no beep, and post code says code 00), so for testing will use an ATX PSU.