Athlon XP probably has 4x AGP/1.5v so the Voodoo 3 won't work anyway (and may cook something)...

mwdmeyer wrote:

Athlon XP probably has 4x AGP/1.5v so the Voodoo 3 won't work anyway (and may cook something)...

The board I have has Universal AGP, so 3.3 is supported. That is not the issue ..

Maybe I was not clear in the OP.

The Voodoo 3 that is on the way is I fear "to old" for for this Socket A setup I just got in the post today. it will work as the mobo I have is Universal 3.3V AGP .. butttttttt the performance scaling is gonna be all out of whack right ?

And I am stuck as to get a Slot 1 setup is to much, AND getting a Voodoo 5 is ALSO to much. So I am stuck ?

Xs1nX wrote:

mwdmeyer wrote:

Athlon XP probably has 4x AGP/1.5v so the Voodoo 3 won't work anyway (and may cook something)...

The board I have has Universal AGP, so 3.3 is supported. That is not the issue ..

Not all universal agp supports 3.3v. Many just have overload protection and that's it, some not even that.

Personally I drive a v5 with a athlon xp 3200+, so a v3 with half the cpu seems reasonable.

kolderman wrote:

Xs1nX wrote:

mwdmeyer wrote:

Athlon XP probably has 4x AGP/1.5v so the Voodoo 3 won't work anyway (and may cook something)...

The board I have has Universal AGP, so 3.3 is supported. That is not the issue ..

Not all universal agp supports 3.3v. Many just have overload protection and that's it, some not even that.

Personally I drive a v5 with a athlon xp 3200+, so a v3 with half the cpu seems reasonable.

Motherboard states it has 3.3v support specifically in manual.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/745_Ultra

Ah yep it's a good board, I have several of different revisions. I don't see any problem pairing that with a voodoo3, although if you come across a v5 one day maybe consider that as well.

Just configure winThrottle to run at start-up time, set it to 25% to 50% clock speed, and voilà, you have period-correct CPU performance for your Voodoo 3.

I don't see why you'd worry about it; if you want to drive a Voodoo3 with a fast machine, this is the way to do it. Sure, the V3 will bottleneck the system a bit, but it does scale & it'll play Glide games at higher framerates than any "period correct" platform could. There wouldn't be any advantage to downgrading to Slot 1 (unless you really want ISA slots); all you'll do is spend money to lose performance. Socket A is the best "fast Win98" platform IMHO, you get some much needed quality-of-life features like USB2, large IDE drive support, BIOS overclocking options, front panel audio headers, etc. Software compatibility is generally excellent.

The only hitch you might run into with that MSI board is power supply selection; I don't see an extra 12V ATX connector so it probably draws heavily from the 5V rail. Make sure whichever one you use can supply a good 20~25A on the 5V.

Maybe you can find a lower clocked CPU for cheap on eBay. Or. unless you want Glide, you can get a GF4 4200.

The v3 will be a bottleneck but it's not a big issue and 1900+ isn't THAT fast. You could also downclock it a bit to a 200mhz fsb but there is no point in making it slower. It will maxx out the v3 so make sure the v3 gets a fan on it, otherwise it will get very hot.

As a rule of thumb: Kt133(A) and kt266(A) Via chipsets usually have the proper 3,3v agp support. SOME kt333 boards have it but you have to make sure (My Asus a7v333 works fine). KT400 and later Via chipsets do certainly NOT have it and may burn the card or board,. Nvidia Nforce(2) chipsets do NOT support 3,3v agp. SiS based boards usually have the 3,3v compatible agp slot, even later p4 boards have it with their chipset, while none of the intel based boards have it.. But always check to be certain..

It's fine.

And if you want to play a game like Half-Life on it, it's recommended.

xjas wrote:

The only hitch you might run into with that MSI board is power supply selection; I don't see an extra 12V ATX connector so it probably draws heavily from the 5V rail. Make sure whichever one you use can supply a good 20~25A on the 5V.

Oh I have the PSU side of things well taken care of, I found my "beast" back at my parents so am using that.

Beast in this case being the legendary PC Power And Cooling Turbo-Cool 510, this is a monster and cost me I think £150 or more at the time I bought it (2006?)

40A on the 5v rail 😎

I had not booted my Socket A system in a while so I thought I would install a 3dfx Voodoo 3 and see what happened. Below you should see it "just worked".

Having an issue with this build I thought id solved but its back so here we go..

2 different IDE optical drives, one from 2003(Combo), one from 2006(DVDRW), 4 different burnt Windows install media (2xDVDRW 2xCDRW). Same results.. fatal read errors on installing/setup of Windows(2k and XP) copying files and at the initial driver load stage.

Optical drives have been tried as primary slave and secondary master. Can not try as primary master as my IDE to SD card adapter is "hard set" to master.

Did manage to get XP installed once, have to install Win2k now for Voodoo driver reasons but somehow this problem is back ?

Anyone have any ideas at all as to what this could be ?

Edit: just found a really scuffed up really old burn of Win2k from maybe 10+ years ago and that works ?

Edit 2: Tried a different USB ODD, and tried burning from a Application rather then the Finder on my Mac mini and this seems to work also ?

1st reason. You could have damaged source files. Which would be one explanation as to why it happens regardless. so one thing you can try is re-rip your windows CDs making sure the discs are clean and using somthing like ISO buster if you have issues copying. It could be the way you are making the CDs and that you are doing it in a way that is not right.

2nd Other reason you could have bad media as in manufactured poorly or incompatbile with your drives for whatever reason.

3rd You could need a firmware update on your drives to improve thier compatibility with reading certain types of disks.

4th you could have bad stick of memory and you just dont know it and that is causing read errors so you should run memtest 86 to verify you dont have bad ram.

5th you could have damaged ribbon cables even if you think they are not.

6th. even though you are burning them at 2x you could be burning them in a way that is messing up the files. You could try just using nlite to burn the disks instead of whatever you are using. maybe this is not a issue but thought id point that out.

7th. you might have dirty lasers, you could try cleaning them by taking apart the drives and use like a brandnew very soft paint brush to just gently wipe them and put them back together. You could also try blowing the lasers with compressed air if that suits you better.

8th. If you verified that steps 1-7 is not a issue you could just rip the disks to the hard drive and booth the computer with DOS and run setup from DOS by invoking. WINNT from the I386 folder.

Looks like you are using CD-RW or DVD-RWs. Don't do that, they kinda suck and you get grief in general using them. Just use a normal DVD+R or normal CD-R. Drives from 2006 shouldn't have any trouble reading these.

You should also burn an ISO image of the CD directly using direct image rip of the disk. These disks are set up in a specific way to boot and run correctly, Burning anything other than the original ISO to a fresh disk is absolutely not guaranteed to work.

I think my issues were to do with the way the Finder burns ISO's in newer/current versions of OSX. Seems like it is broken in some way ?

Using a 3rd party burning Application has solved the issue it seems.

Sanity check,

Got the Voodoo 3 2000 today, plunged in and 2d output works fine and drivers install fine (using Amigasport 3.0 as they seem recommended from googling)

Bit worried about the temp of the card/chip tho, the back of the PCB where the chip is is pretty toasty even at idle at windows desktop. this is with a 140mm 1000rpm fan leaning against the component side of the card for cooling.

Is this normal ?

Yes they run hot but with lots of airflow should be fine.