Good PCI Video Cards in 1997

Reply 20 of 30, by Intel486dx33

Posted on 2019-09-01, 14:04

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derSammler wrote:
There is no Riva TNT 128. There's a Riva 128 and a Riva TNT, these are two different cards. Only the Riva 128 is from 1997 and would fit his time frame. However, Riva 128 cards are quite expensive these days.

Maybe it was a Riva tnt card ?

Reply 21 of 30, by red-ray

Posted on 2019-09-01, 15:18

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appiah4 wrote:
For 1997 Matrox G200 is also a decent choice but I never saw it as PCI even though it existed.

I have both Dual and Quad G200 with both being PCI, but as they are in systems I can't easily check the date. Both use a PCI to PCI Bridge.

1[PCI Bus] <- SIV32L - System Information Viewer V5.41 Beta-25 RK2::ray
2
3Bus-Numb-Fun  IRQ  Vendor-Dev-Sub_OEM-Rev Class (255)         Vendor and Device Description
4
5[0 - 00 - 0]       8086-1237-00000000-02 Host Bridge          Intel 82441FX 440FX Pentium(R) Pro Processor to PCI Bridge (Natoma Rev 2)
6[0 - 07 - 0]       8086-7000-00000000-01 ISA Bridge           Intel 82371SB PIIX3 ISA Bridge
7[0 - 07 - 1]       8086-7010-00000000-00 EIDE Controller      Intel 82371SB PIIX3 EIDE Controller
8[0 - 07 - 2]  31   8086-7020-00000000-01 UHCI Controller      Intel 82371SB PIIX3 USB UHCI Controller Rev 1 (SU093)
9[0 - 08 - 0]  32   1011-0014-00000000-11 Ethernet Controller  Digital 21041 Based PCI Ethernet Adapter
10[0 - 10 - 0]       1011-0024-00000000-03 PCI Bridge (0-1)     Digital 21152AB PCI to PCI Bridge
11[1 - 00 - 0]  128  102B-0521-DBD9102B-03 VGA Controller       Matrox Millennium G200 MMS (Dual G200) [GPU-0]
12[1 - 04 - 0]  16   102B-0521-DBD9102B-03 Non VGA Controller   Matrox Millennium G200 MMS (Dual G200) [GPU-1]
13
14Total of 2 PCI buses and 8 PCI devices in 0.057 seconds.  Device names from D:\SIV\SIVPCI.txt   Date 2019-08-31 Version 235 (124,792)
15
16[PCI Bus] <- SIV32L - System Information Viewer V5.41 Beta-25 RP4::ray
17
18Bus-Numb-Fun  IRQ  Vendor-Dev-Sub_OEM-Rev Class (255)         Vendor and Device Description
19
20[0 - 00 - 0]       8086-2570-25701458-02 Host Bridge          Intel 82865PE Chipset Processor to I/O Controller [865PE]
21[0 - 01 - 0]       8086-2571-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (0-1)     Intel 82865PE Chipset Processor to AGP Controller
22[0 - 06 - 0]       8086-2576-00000000-02 System Peripheral    Intel 82865PE Chipset Processor to I/O Memory Interface
23[0 - 29 - 0]  16   8086-24D2-24D21458-02 UHCI Controller      Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB UHCI Controller #1 [865PE]
24[0 - 29 - 1]  19   8086-24D4-24D21458-02 UHCI Controller      Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB UHCI Controller #2 [865PE]
25[0 - 29 - 2]  18   8086-24D7-24D21458-02 UHCI Controller      Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB UHCI Controller #3 [865PE]
26[0 - 29 - 3]  16   8086-24DE-24D21458-02 UHCI Controller      Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB UHCI Controller #4 [865PE]
27[0 - 29 - 7]  23   8086-24DD-50061458-02 EHCI Controller      Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB EHCI Controller [865PE]
28[0 - 30 - 0]       8086-244E-00000000-C2 PCI Bridge (0-2:7)   Intel 82801EB Hub Interface to PCI Bridge (ICH5 A2/A3 step)
29[0 - 31 - 0]       8086-24D0-00000000-02 ISA Bridge           Intel 82801EB (ICH5) LPC Interface Bridge
30[0 - 31 - 1]       8086-24DB-24D21458-02 EIDE Controller      Intel 82801EB (ICH5) EIDE Controller [865PE]
31[0 - 31 - 2]  18   8086-24D1-24D11458-02 SATA Controller      Intel 82801EB (ICH5) SATA I/O Controller [865PE]
32[0 - 31 - 3]  11   8086-24D3-24D21458-02 SMBus Controller     Intel 82801EB (ICH5) SMBus Controller [865PE]
33[1 - 00 - 0]  16   102B-2537-1830102B-02 VGA Controller       Matrox Millennium P650 DualHead-HF DDR [GPU-0]
34[2 - 00 - 0]       3388-0021-00000000-13 PCI Bridge (2-3)     PLX PCI 6140/52/6254 HB1/1-SE/HB6 Universal PCI to PCI Bridge (non-transparent mode)
35[2 - 01 - 0]       12D8-8150-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-4)     Pericom PI7C8150 2-Port PCI to PCI Bridge
36[2 - 02 - 0]       12D8-8150-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-5)     Pericom PI7C8150 2-Port PCI to PCI Bridge
37[2 - 03 - 0]       12D8-8150-00000000-02 PCI Bridge (2-6)     Pericom PI7C8150 2-Port PCI to PCI Bridge
38[2 - 04 - 0]       8086-B152-00000000-00 PCI Bridge (2-7)     Intel 21152 PCI to PCI Bridge
39[2 - 05 - 0]  21   104C-8024-10001458-00 OHCI FireWire        Texas TSB43AB23 1394a-2000 OHCI PHY/link-layer Controller [GA-EP45-DS5]
40[2 - 09 - 0]  20   11AB-4320-E0001458-13 Ethernet Controller  Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)
41[3 - 00 - 0]  18   102B-0525-0D43102B-85 VGA Controller       Matrox Millennium G450 Dual Head DVI PCI [GPU-1]
42[4 - 00 - 0]  21   102B-2527-0F42102B-01 VGA Controller       Matrox Millennium G550 Low-profile PCI [GPU-2]
43[5 - 00 - 0]  22   102B-2527-0F42102B-01 VGA Controller       Matrox Millennium G550 Low-profile PCI [GPU-3]
44[6 - 00 - 0]  16   102B-2527-0F42102B-01 VGA Controller       Matrox Millennium G550 Low-profile PCI [GPU-4]
45[7 - 00 - 0]  18   102B-0521-DBF9102B-03 VGA Controller       Matrox Millennium G200 MMS (Quad G200) [GPU-5]
46[7 - 04 - 0]  18   102B-0521-DBF9102B-03 Non VGA Controller   Matrox Millennium G200 MMS (Quad G200) [GPU-6]
47[7 - 08 - 0]  18   102B-0521-DBF9102B-03 Non VGA Controller   Matrox Millennium G200 MMS (Quad G200) [GPU-7]
48[7 - 12 - 0]  18   102B-0521-DBF9102B-03 Non VGA Controller   Matrox Millennium G200 MMS (Quad G200) [GPU-8]
49
50Total of 8 PCI buses and 29 PCI devices in 0.049 seconds.  Device names from D:\SIV\SIVPCI.txt   Date 2019-08-31 Version 235 (124,792)

Reply 22 of 30, by retropol

Posted on 2019-09-01, 15:28

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as I rememger 1997/98 was late w95, early w98, but still people were dos games oriented. So they had s3 virge and they equipped their machines with 3dfx voodoo 1.
That was the config most popular and most effective these days.

Reply 23 of 30, by leileilol

Posted on 2019-09-03, 00:15

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appiah4 wrote:
For 1997 Matrox G200 is also a decent choice but I never saw it as PCI even though it existed.

Well, G200 never existed in 1997 so!! Maybe you meant Mystique? Gotta put up with the harlequin box though

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Reply 24 of 30, by red-ray

Posted on 2019-09-03, 00:51

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leileilol wrote:
Well, G200 never existed in 1997 so!!

Looking @ https://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/press/rele … ar-anniversary/ I assume it was released before May 28, 1998 so I suspect there were engineering samples in 1997 😏

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Reply 25 of 30, by Warlord

Posted on 2019-09-03, 00:54

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red-ray wrote:
leileilol wrote:
Well, G200 never existed in 1997 so!!

Looking @ https://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/press/rele … ar-anniversary/ I assume it was released on May 29, 1998 so I suspect there were engineering samples in 1997 😏

Thats completely fair in my book. It's not like things get engineered, fabbed, have drivers written and tested in the year they are available on the market. G200 must have existed in 1997 using logic. And it must of been designed and tested on hardware available in 1997.
Here is Confidential G200 Paper stating it was already released once in 1997

Reply 26 of 30, by leileilol

Posted on 2019-09-03, 02:41

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That'd be like calling the Voodoo Graphics a 1994 video card...

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Reply 27 of 30, by appiah4

Posted on 2019-09-03, 05:34

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leileilol wrote:
That'd be like calling the Voodoo Graphics a 1994 video card...

My information may be wrong, but I thought it was a late 1997 release - I believe OEMs actually started using it back then. Regardless, the market release according to Matrox seems to be 1998 so yeah, I was off by around 6 months maybe. It's still worth consideration. I would definitely not recommend Mystique as a stand alone 3D accelerator, though it would bake for a perfectly fine 2D card to pair with a Voodoo Graphics Accelerator if you can't find or afford a Millennium II.

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Reply 28 of 30, by Warlord

Posted on 2019-09-03, 12:41

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leileilol wrote:
That'd be like calling the Voodoo Graphics a 1994 video card...

na not really thats quite a strech you are making ,there didn't actually exist finished versions of voodoos or even engineering samples that were 1 step from fished like in this case. its not like g200 or even rage 128 when reviewers physically using the cards a year prior to launch.

Reply 29 of 30, by j^aws

Posted on 2019-09-03, 13:12

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Living through 1997, if I had an opportunity to see into the future and purchase a video card from there, I would've snapped your hand off to buy one and install into my 1997 rig. I really don't see the fascination of sticking with one year when PCs are designed to be upgradable.

Reply 30 of 30, by Warlord

Posted on 2019-09-03, 13:24

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Same thats why I don't agree with the period correct people because they take it too far. For example my x38 rig which i still use I bought the motherboard back in 2008, I started off with I think a GT8600 an 2gb of ram, I also had scsi hard drives on a U320 controler. Now that same system I have 8gb of ram a gtx960 and I have sata 3 controller with SSDs and what not.

As newer games came out I kept upgrading it trying to squeeze the most performance out of it. I lived through 97 also and I can tell you what most computers back then were slow compared to the so called period correct builds. The systems you could buy back then were often 1-2 generations behind cutting edge technology. But some people consider those to be period correct also since they came like that.

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