wrote:I know this can be done via F5/F8 in MS-DOS 6.x but I can't seem to find a way in 5.0.. Internet search would suggest holding down SHIFT should work, but it doesn't?
I think you can use CTRL + C when it starts MS-DOS. It will ask you to run/step-through or skip config.sys and autotexec.bat.
wrote:wrote:If it runs DOS then I use 6.22 - even on XT.
PS... ah DR DOS... my friend back in the 90s was so convinced that it's called "Doctor DOS" and that's how it should be read...
To this day I still say Doctor DOS and Mister BIOS..
so do I, nothing anyone could say would convince me that the two respective companies didn't intend their initials to emulate an honorific when choosing to name their products that way
wrote:...nothing anyone could say would convince me...
Rabbit, your own key phrase that is exact description of your usual attitude (at least here).
wrote:wrote:wrote:That's nice but if it doesn't run Windows properly it's no good. Everybody should just run Microsoft software everywhere. It's safer here.
Where the hell did you get that from? Windows 3.x runs fine on DR Dos, IBM Dos, PTS Dos, Real/32 and more. Some even added enhancements like the PMCIA support in IBM Dos. Dos development didn't stop at the release of Win95.
MS modified the Win 3.x files so it wouldn't run properly on specific versions of concurrent DOS back in the day:
The code was disabled on Windows 3.1 release. I can assure you Windows 3.1 worked fine under DR Dos 6. I did it. Digital Research released some wee patches to tidy things up as well. Just in case it was enabled.
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Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
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wrote:wrote:If it runs DOS then I use 6.22 - even on XT.
PS... ah DR DOS... my friend back in the 90s was so convinced that it's called "Doctor DOS" and that's how it should be read...
To this day I still say Doctor DOS and Mister BIOS..
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I love these educational discussions. The mods have had the sense to pin the thread as well which is excellent. It might educate some of the young'ns what it was really like back then. Not some imagined or revisionist account.
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Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉
wrote:wrote:I know this can be done via F5/F8 in MS-DOS 6.x but I can't seem to find a way in 5.0.. Internet search would suggest holding down SHIFT should work, but it doesn't?
I think you can use CTRL + C when it starts MS-DOS. It will ask you to run/step-through or skip config.sys and autotexec.bat.
No it doesn't. Tried it a couple of times on my 286. Ctr-C just terminates a command, ie stops it from running as does Ctrl-Break according to the Microsoft produced MS Dos 5 Users Guide and Reference dated 1991.
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Quite handy having these manuals.
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Note the stunning amount of new features MS Dos 5 included.
There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉
Wow, it looks really serious in comparsion to Compaq DOS 5! 😁
Source: https://twitter.com/Foone/status/956311326430658560
PS: I've forgot to mention. Now that I think of it, I did use a Digital Research DOS back in the days - DOS Plus.
That was a CP/M-86 in disguise, however. Anyway, it can run DOS 2.x programs, so it belong to DOS family.
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Dos Plus not CP/M-86. It was a totally different product specifically design to run Dos applications. Aka it was Dos.
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Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
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Can't you just make menus in config.sys and autoexec.bat to effectively do this?
Just have a menu item in each that doesn't load anything.
See here for an example of how to setup the menu.
https://superuser.com/questions/242278/starti … config-sys-menu
Once you select the menu item for config.sys, the autoexec.bat only loads the corresponding code block.
wrote:Dos Plus not CP/M-86. It was a totally different product specifically design to run Dos applications. Aka it was Dos.
Ah, sorry. 😅 I meant the original DOS Plus 1.x which was based on CP/M-86 Plus (BDOS 4.x). Not 2.x based on Concurrent DOS (?).
My father's Schneider PC-1512 sipped with a copy of the DOS Plus OS, along with MS-DOS 3.2 and GEM, if memory serves.
https://www.seasip.info/Cpm/kernels.html , http://retrotechnology.com/dri/dri_wein.html
Edit: Sorry for being slightly off-topic. 😅
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wrote:Can't you just make menus in config.sys and autoexec.bat to effectively do this? […]
Can't you just make menus in config.sys and autoexec.bat to effectively do this?
Just have a menu item in each that doesn't load anything.
See here for an example of how to setup the menu.
https://superuser.com/questions/242278/starti … config-sys-menuOnce you select the menu item for config.sys, the autoexec.bat only loads the corresponding code block.
This functionality came with MS-DOS 6.0
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wrote:This functionality came with MS-DOS 6.0
+1
IMHO There's no reason to hold on to DOS 5 except for nostalgia and a few hacks.
MS-DOS 6.0 pretty much comes with all the DOS 5 utilities and has the same kernal, even.
Except for that Wina20.386 file which is required for Win 3.0 Enhanced Mode, maybe.
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ok.. wasn't having luck finding specifics... and haven't used 5.0 since the early 90's.
I use MS Dos 5 on my 286 and am quite happy with it. Ideally going by the above logic you should be running PC Dos 2000. Frees up more conventional memory than MS Dos 6.X does and can be run on XT class systems
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Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
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wrote:I use MS Dos 5 on my 286 and am quite happy with it. Ideally going by the above logic you should be running PC Dos 2000. Frees up more conventional memory than MS Dos 6.X does and can be run on XT class systems
PC-DOS 2000 or MS-DOS 7.1 (the CDU distro) if you need LBA support
PC-DOS 2k is my favorite
wrote:wrote:I use MS Dos 5 on my 286 and am quite happy with it. Ideally going by the above logic you should be running PC Dos 2000. Frees up more conventional memory than MS Dos 6.X does and can be run on XT class systems
PC-DOS 2000 or MS-DOS 7.1 (the CDU distro) if you need LBA support
PC-DOS 2k is my favorite
Yeah Roy and Co.s CDU version comes as a two 1.44meg distro and disk two is optional. I like it much better than FreeDos.
There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
Of course, as always, I'm open to correction...😉
Caldera fans, where are you ? 😀
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Specifically Caldera UK. This site tells you all you need to know about DR Dos/OpenDos etc http://drdos.org/ Tons of good stuff here as well http://www.resoo.org/docs/dos/free_software/os.htm
There's a glitch in the matrix.
A founding member of the 286 appreciation society.
Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.
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wrote:+1 […]
wrote:This functionality came with MS-DOS 6.0
+1
IMHO There's no reason to hold on to DOS 5 except for nostalgia and a few hacks.
MS-DOS 6.0 pretty much comes with all the DOS 5 utilities and has the same kernal, even.
Except for that Wina20.386 file which is required for Win 3.0 Enhanced Mode, maybe.
I thought I remembered seeing a utility that could interject itself between the VBR and IO.SYS to allow config selection on boot. Can't find it right now, so maybe such a thing doesn't exist.
I should have trusted in the Google, although I have no idea if licensing or function are exactly what we want.
https://www.pcorner.com/list/UTILITY/BOOT202.ZIP/INFO/
https://www.pcorner.com/list/UTILITY/BOOTMA.ZIP/INFO/
https://www.pcorner.com/list/UTILITY/CAM261.ZIP/INFO/
https://www.pcorner.com/list/UTILITY/CONED28.ZIP/INFO/
I'm certain there are more.
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