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First post, by vetz

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I'm thinking of building a pure Windows XP machine. I currently have a P4 setup with dualboot Win98 and XP, but it's not powerful enough for later Windows XP games. I have several options in terms of hardware all ranging from Pentium 4, Athlon FX-57, Core2 to X58 Core i7 setups.

What are your experiences with running early Windows XP games (2001-2004) on later (2009+) hardware? Does it all work fine? What are your experiences with multiple CPU cores and VRAM past 512mB? Any experience with later drivers/GPUs causing trouble in early games?

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Reply 2 of 12, by chinny22

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Agree with the above.
Socket 775 is dirt cheap and fine for XP games.
I've 2 GTX590's in mine (because I can XP can't even SLI them) Most demanding games are GTA SA or Farming Simulator 2013 (don't judge me!) and run fine with AA, AF, etc maxed out.
Even earlier 9x/XP cross over games are ok If they ran on the P4 the'll run on the new PC.

This is on my Duel Core Xeon with 4GB ram. And yeh I got a Sound blaster X-Fi as well 😀

Reply 3 of 12, by buckeye

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I got a E8400 Core 2 Duo/Geforce 7950GT/X-Fi Extreme Music setup runs Castle Wolfenstein/Serious Sam/Clive Barker's Undying just fine.
Heck it even runs Unreal Gold but I think that required a tweak of some sort, can't remember.

Asus P5N-E Intel Core 2 Duo 3.33ghz. 4GB DDR2 Geforce 470 1GB SB X-Fi Titanium 650W XP SP3
Intel SE440BX P3 450 256MB 80GB SSD Radeon 7200 64mb SB 32pnp 350W 98SE
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Reply 4 of 12, by texterted

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Yep, E8400 C2D, 2 Gb ram, Radeon HD4870 and a SB Audigy 2 ZS for me, runs pretty much everything.

SSD for XP, spinners for games, it even has a USB-3 card in there. Great machine.

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XP Pro:- Asus P5 Q SE Plus, C2D E8400, 4 Gig DDR2, Radeon HD4870, SB Audigy 2ZS.

Reply 5 of 12, by Garrett W

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Possible issues that may arise can be related to Dual Cores/Hyperthreading and Speedstep/Cool'n'Quiet on the CPU side, so keep this in mind. Also, some games have issues with CPUs in the high MHz range, classic example that I remember is FIFA 2002 which will crash on anything above 2GHz.

GPU wise, later drivers might cause issues with older games, so that's something to keep in mind as well.

Reply 6 of 12, by Bancho

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kolderman wrote on 2020-04-06, 11:10:

Core2duo + gtx560 + x-fi is the gold standard. And yes, it does early xp just fine.

You nearly described my system right there!

i have Q9650@3.6ghz Stock Volts, MSI GTX 560ti 1GB and a Fatality X-Fi (PCI)

Reply 7 of 12, by DosFreak

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CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 @ 3.87GHZ FSB:431MHZ @ 1.35000v
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900A LED Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler Replaced fan with Noctua NF-P14 FLX 140mm Case cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte X38-DQ6
Memory: 16GB DDR2 F2-6400CL5D-8GBPQ @ 862Mhz CL5-6-6-17 @1.8v
GPU 1: Zotac Geforce GTX 980 Ti 6GB AMP! Extreme GDDR5 ZT-90507-10B PCIe (Works fine in XP on my 1920X1200 monitor via DVI for my uses)
GPU 2: Quadro FX 1300 128MB PCIe
NIC: Realtek RTL8111 PCI-E Gigabit
Audio: Audigy 2 Platinum 6.1 SB0240 (9x-8.1)
Audio: Realtek (Windows 10)
Audio: Yamaha YMF724E-V DOS-XP (Possibly Vista-10 32bit)
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Reply 8 of 12, by PC-Engineer

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I have three XP PCs - P4 GF-FX5900, A64 X2 GF-9800GT (1GB) SLI, C2Q HD7870 (2GB) - all with >2GB RAM .

I could not discouver any trouble with early XP-Games on later machines.

Epox 7KXA Slot A / Athlon 950MHz / Voodoo 5 5500 / PowerVR / 512 MB / AWE32 / SCSI - Windows 98SE

Reply 9 of 12, by bloodem

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My absolute overkill Win7/Win XP dual boot rig:

Core i5 3570K @ 4.5 GHz
8 GB RAM DDR3 1866 MHz (Windows XP 32bit only sees 4 GB)
nVidia GeForce GTX 760
Asus Xonar DX (I actually prefer this one instead of a Creative X-Fi, but that's just me).

No issues with old games, other than a few that need CPU affinity or disabling a few cores in BIOS (Splinter Cell is one of those games - it works with two cores / stutters like crazy on four cores).
But other than that, most games run at 150+ FPS with Antialiasing/Anisotropic Filtering

I also have another WinXP/Win98 dual boot rig, which is a bit more period correct (just a tiny bit 😀 )

Pentium Dual Core E5800 @ 3.8 GHz
2 GB RAM
GeForce 6800
Audigy 2 ZS

This one is fine for most games between 1999 - 2005. Usability in Windows 98 is quite limited, though, because of poor driver support. I also have a GeForce FX 5900 which will most likely replace the 6800 very soon.

Oh, yeah... and another one (also WinXP/Win98 dual boot) 😁

Core 2 Duo E4700 @ 3.2 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (just bought three of these, new & sealed - an absolute beast of a video card for its time)
Audigy 2 ZS.

This one is extremely versatile. DOS games that I have tested work great, even some that are normally speed sensitive (I don't even understand how this is possible on a Core 2 Duo CPU - could be because of the Audigy 2 SB emulation, but still strange). 2D quality is excellent, very sharp. And as for Windows, most games between 1995 and 2005 work just fine (except games that need 8 bit palleted textures).

Ugh, I got carried away, you were asking something else 😀

1 x PLCC-68 / 2 x PGA132 / 5 x Skt 3 / 9 x Skt 7 / 12 x SS7 / 1 x Skt 8 / 14 x Slot 1 / 5 x Slot A
5 x Skt 370 / 8 x Skt A / 2 x Skt 478 / 2 x Skt 754 / 3 x Skt 939 / 7 x LGA775 / 1 x LGA1155
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Reply 10 of 12, by vetz

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Thanks for the replies guys, seems to be little to no problem running early WinXP games on late hardware. I'll take that into consideration moving forward. First I'd like to test an AGP X850XT PE to see if it can give the few extra FPS needed to continue running a Win98/XP dual boot system.

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Reply 11 of 12, by bestemor

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bloodem wrote on 2020-04-06, 19:08:
...... Oh, yeah... and another one (also WinXP/Win98 dual boot) :D […]
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Oh, yeah... and another one (also WinXP/Win98 dual boot) 😁

Core 2 Duo E4700 @ 3.2 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (just bought three of these, new & sealed - an absolute beast of a video card for its time)
Audigy 2 ZS.

This one is extremely versatile. DOS games that I have tested work great, even some that are normally speed sensitive (I don't even understand how this is possible on a Core 2 Duo CPU - could be because of the Audigy 2 SB emulation, but still strange). 2D quality is excellent, very sharp. And as for Windows, most games between 1995 and 2005 work just fine (except games that need 8 bit palleted textures).

Me just very curious as to what exact motherboard this is, that allows for win98 to work flawlessly(?) with a Core2 and 2Gb of ram ?
And that 9800PRO, is that AGP or PCI-e ?

Reply 12 of 12, by bloodem

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The motherboard is the famous ASRock 775i65g (at least I thought that it was famous by now?). I have three of these motherboards and they are 100% stable in both Win98 & WinXP when using a Core 2 Duo / Pentium Dual Core (of course, Windows 98 will only see one core - not that this is a problem, since that core is faster than the fastest Pentium 4s out there).
2 GB on Win98 is possible in various ways. I for one am using the patch created by the late R. Loew, which I find to be the most reliable out of all the other fixes.

The 9800 Pro is on AGP (pretty sure no PCI-e card or PCI-e motherboard will work in Win98, but I might be wrong).
I tested tens of games/benchmarks in Win 98 (without encountering a single crash/instability), including, but not limited to: 3DMark99/2000/2001/2003, Expendable (hehe, this one does crash, because it doesn't recognize the CPU, but it's easily fixable with "-nocputest"), GLQuake, Quake 2, Prince of Persia 3D, Need for speed 3/High Stakes/Porsche, Half life, Nocturne, Unreal Tournament, Unreal Gold, Unreal II, Re-Volt and many others. And most of them are running at 500+ FPS (some at 1000+ FPS). 😀 By the way, if anybody is interested, I'm using Catalyst 4.3.
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1 x PLCC-68 / 2 x PGA132 / 5 x Skt 3 / 9 x Skt 7 / 12 x SS7 / 1 x Skt 8 / 14 x Slot 1 / 5 x Slot A
5 x Skt 370 / 8 x Skt A / 2 x Skt 478 / 2 x Skt 754 / 3 x Skt 939 / 7 x LGA775 / 1 x LGA1155
Current PC: Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Backup PC: Core i7 7700k