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First post, by vorob

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First of all, sorry for my wall of text. Second thing, I love and prefer laptops.

I'm super okay with playing old games on modern pc, but since I love to dig into computers I decided to find a second machine that is compatible with most of the old games. My first goals changed over time and that's how it worked out.

My starting point was Dell Latitude D800 with Pentium M and GeForce 4200. A perfect machine, even compatible with Windows 98. Its GF4 run old windows games without any compatibility issues and the quality of the screen was really good. But it also had some cons. First of all, I wanted native DOS support, and this laptop doesn't have a proper soundcard, also it has a widescreen display so dos games are stretched. I also had a Creative PCMCIA soundcard with EAX support and wanted to play newer games on it, like Deus Ex 2, Thief DS and Doom 3, and GF4 wasn't able to run them with decent fps. And last thing, GF4 can't handle glide emulation well and I wanted to cover these games too. So I've started looking for a 4:3 laptop with a newer GeForce card.

My next step was Toshiba Tecra S3 laptop, also with Pentium M but now it was GeForce 6600 inside and 4:3 screen. That was a big fail. First of all, the screen was total trash. I do understand that IPS screens were not a thing 15 years ago, but my Dell's D800 display is just like an OLED panel compared to Toshiba's trash one - gowing in dark scenes, horrible view angles even on bright pictures. It also wasn't compatible with Windows 98 at all. And the last thing that kills everything was that GeForce 6 suddenly lost some compatibility with older Windows games, the biggest problem was the lack of paletted textures support, so some games wouldn't launch at all and some of them had visual issues.

How Thief II should look like: https://sun9-25.userapi.com/c858528/v85852813 … ZfPPfK0SbtQ.jpg
How it works on any GeForce after 5th: https://sun9-56.userapi.com/c858528/v85852813 … a2OOYjVvAmg.jpg

Then I learned that ATI cards didn't lose compatibility and even paletted textures worked there. So I bought IBM ThinkPad R60. A 4:3 laptop with Core 2 Duo CPU and ATI X1400. It was perfect. Yes, this laptop doesn't have native DOS sound but I was already okay to solve it with a PCMCIA sound card or use a powerful CPU for DoxBox emulation (ye I dropped the idea about native DOS). It also featured ATI X1400 for old games and nglide. Even the condition was perfect. Only two issues bothered me: ATI X1400 wasn't good for Doom 3 and games near that year, better than GF4 from my first old laptop, but not as good as GF 6600GO from Toshiba. And, again, the screen was horrible. It was very good for bright pictures, better than Toshiba's, but it was horrible for dark games which I love (Thief, Deus Ex, Doom 3, etc).

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At this point, I understood that there were no good 4:3 screens and I should get back to widescreen laptops. My goal was to find a cheap+good+old laptop with a big good screen, powerful ATI card, and C2d, and I found it!

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Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Xi 1546	
Processor: Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor T7200 (4M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 667 MHz FSB)
GPU: ATI Mobility Radeon X1800 (12 Pixel / 6 Vertex; 256Mb DDR3; 256Bit) (8.593.100)
Display: 17.1 inch 16:10, 1440 x 900 pixel (Quanta QD17TL022 (QDS002F))
Chipset: Intel 945PM (Calistoga-PM) + ICH7-M/U
Storage: HDD 500Gb, Western Digital, 5400rpm (WDC WD5000BEVT-00A0RT0)
Wireless: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
Ethernet: RealTek Semiconductor RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
RAM: 2Gb 333 MHz (DDR2-666)
Audio: Intel 82801GB ICH7 - High Definition Audio
Connectivity: 4 x USB 2.0; 1 x IEEE 1394 (i.LINK, FireWire); 1 x ExpressCard
Dimension: W x D x H / 407 x 295 x 42

Bend your fingers:

  • It's big. 17inch 16:10 screen fully "includes" the physical size of typical 15inch 4:3 screen so no loss here.
  • It's powerful. C2d, again, good for DOSBox, and X1800 can run DOOM 3 on 60 fps and even play TES Oblivion, Prey, Fallout 3.
  • It has good sound. Two speakers supported with a subwoofer.
  • Support for two 2.5 HDDs.
  • Build-in DVI port, so it's easy to connect the laptop to a modern monitor.

And the biggest surprise here is the screen. Just take a look, I'm comparing Fujitsu and IBM:

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So, at last, I'm happy! I can enjoy old games without any custom made fixes, patches, and other things. Just the way it meant to be played. And this happens on a gorgeous giant screen with good sound.

Any cons? Yes, there is. This laptop has a trash cooling system that can't handle X1800. If you look into the internet, users were plagued with overheating, GPU dying, artifacts right from the beginning. It's a surprise that my machine still works after 14 years. And I have to fight with temperatures because if I leave them, I'll have this trash:

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Thing is complicated more because of GPU thermal diode absence. I had to use a multimeter to capture temperature near chip and look like it starts bugging when I caught 65C+ near it. The partial solution here is to monitor CPU temperature since the cooling system is single for both GPU and CPU, GPU heats CPU sensor and CPU gets the same values I'm catching near GPU via an external sensor, at least I can monitor the situation by this. When I'm reaching 60C on CPU I need to do smth. In some way, it's not a big deal since it overheats that much in games that I won't be playing on this machine and older titles don't generate much heat.

Wish it will last for a long time 😀

Last edited by vorob on 2020-11-06, 12:55. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 17, by vorob

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Since I'm device internal's nerd, i've got some additional pictures here!

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Reply 2 of 17, by vorob

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Looks like i found a temp solution for overheating. Locking CPU on 1300mhz with 0.95v won't give over 61C for GPU and I'm not getting errors in games and video driver won't die. But i still have color dots in BIOS on this temp. I'm never seeing this in windows, but i can't get rid of idea that something is wrong here. Why i see it in BIOS only, what video mode does it use? After some cooling and reboot these dots go away.

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Reply 6 of 17, by vorob

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Ye, i tested cooling system in all ways, it works as it should. This x1800 was just heat damage with previous owner...

Anyway X1900 came to me and it works fine! More tests will come but for now everything works perfect.

Reply 8 of 17, by vorob

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This may sound weird, but I bought another laptop of this model. It's Xi1554, same as Xi1546 but is packed with x1900 from the factory and has a 1920x1200 screen (instead of 1440x900). Both of them are in perfect condition.
So now I've got two top dx9 laptops and I can be safe that if one will die I'll have another!

Reply 9 of 17, by vorob

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Sad thing... My "new" X1900 laptop has hardware defective video card 🙁 when it's warm it shows some errors in the video memory test and this causes games to crash. Even the BSOD screen has some color artifacts.

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This means that I have only one good X1900 laptop...

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Reply 10 of 17, by vorob

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Okay, I'm not giving up. I've got several X1800 with the dead and half-dead GPU's and I bought a supposedly new x1800 chip. Will solder it and see if it will last long.

Reply 11 of 17, by Ozzuneoj

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Interesting thread!

One thing... I was under the impression that Radeon cards were lacking all the same things that the GeForce 6+ series was missing. Have you tested 8bit palletted textures, table fog, etc?

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 12 of 17, by vorob

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Nope, that's exactly why I'm bothered by this ancient thing. Radeon X series (and older) have all the necessary stuff for old games, while Geforce failed to keep it.
I've tested some games and they all work perfectly, but if you name the exact titles and I can check them. For example Thief II has all the stuff, proper skies, fog, and so on.

Reply 13 of 17, by vorob

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Okay, like I said some time ago I have two FJC X1546/1554 laptop, one has brand new X1900 from eBay and works great, and one has used X1900 which shows artifacts if you play some tough games. And I was searching for a replacement on eBay for some time. And you know? Suddenly I found a shop with 10 of them! https://www.ebay.com/itm/264763944946

Just bought 2 units and wish they will be perfectly working.

Reply 14 of 17, by auron

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since you mentioned playing doom 3 with that x-fi card, i'm just curious, did you experience the twitching bug with EAX? to my knowledge there is no way to avoid it on the original release (not counting source ports) unless using some early audigy drivers on XP.

a video of that bug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EqCWZJsgf8

Reply 16 of 17, by vorob

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vorob wrote on 2021-05-08, 17:54:

Okay, like I said some time ago I have two FJC X1546/1554 laptop, one has brand new X1900 from eBay and works great, and one has used X1900 which shows artifacts if you play some tough games. And I was searching for a replacement on eBay for some time. And you know? Suddenly I found a shop with 10 of them! https://www.ebay.com/itm/264763944946

Just bought 2 units and wish they will be perfectly working.

So i've received these cards and both of them were dead. The seller decided to sent me another two and they work. Now I'm fully packed with mobile ATI x1900 😀

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Reply 17 of 17, by vorob

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auron wrote on 2021-05-09, 18:04:

since you mentioned playing doom 3 with that x-fi card, i'm just curious, did you experience the twitching bug with EAX? to my knowledge there is no way to avoid it on the original release (not counting source ports) unless using some early audigy drivers on XP.

a video of that bug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EqCWZJsgf8

I just rechecked and you were right. With my driver from 2009, I'm getting random shacking.

Also, for some reason, I'm missing part of sounds in FEAR and Quake IV. Don't know what to do...