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First post, by Shagittarius

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I've tried multiple times with different eras of Creative cards but I swear to God creative has the worst driver installation and upgrade process ever. Once you install a sound blaster card good luck upgrading that system to another. I've had this nightmare going from a Live! to an X-fi in XP, and I've just encountered this again going from a PCI16 to an Audigy 1.

Does anyone have a proven method to totally get rid of existing creative drivers so they don't interfere with the new cards installation, I don't want to start over with my Windows 98 install again. Or, is there a way to archive the existing System.ini so I could reinstall it after performing a fresh install so that I can keep all my start menu items?

I guess advice on successful methods that you may have done this is what I'm after.

Thanks.

Reply 1 of 5, by Jorpho

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Shagittarius wrote on 2020-11-23, 04:31:

Or, is there a way to archive the existing System.ini so I could reinstall it after performing a fresh install so that I can keep all my start menu items?

System.ini isn't used for much beyond old legacy stuff – and certainly not for Start menu items – so I'm not sure why you're singling that out in particular.

I guess advice on successful methods that you may have done this is what I'm after.

Perhaps you should describe what problems you are encountering that lead you to believe existing creative drivers are interfering with a new card's installation?

Reply 2 of 5, by Shagittarius

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So in the case of going to the Xfi the new card couldn't even be recognized by the new drivers until i reinstalled the entire OS, forcing the card with the drivers alone cause blue screens.

In this latest case of upgrading from a PCI16 to the Audigy 1, the system looses audio output after a reboot, if you remove the hardware from device manager and let the drivers install again the card will be fine until you try to configure the speaker setup eventually freezing up and no audio output until you uninstall/reinstall again.

This is all the pattern I always see when attempting to upgrade from one creative card to another without a complete OS reinstall.

So I know the .ini tracks uninstall and paths for installed games, I would like to save all that part of the system as well as backing up the smart menus if I am forced to do a complete OS reinstall to get the card working correctly. I believe it has something to do with old legacy audio drivers (the actual SB legacy DOS emulation drivers these cards install)or one of the other device drivers which don't seem to be uninstalled when you uninstall the rest of the drivers. I looked for a driver remoover program but was unable to find anything for creative cards even though some said they did.

Honestly this is the history I've had my entire life with upgrading creative's sound cards, I've always had to resort to a complete reinstall of the OS, I'm honestly surprised you needed more information, I assumed everyone had these issues.

*I Should also have mentioned this is the experience on my XP machine, Its 98SE/XP dual boot but I tried it on XP first to see how much trouble it was going to be and no suprise it acts like all creative sound card upgrades (Except DOS cards) do for me.

Reply 3 of 5, by Horun

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Never had a problem with Win9x and Soundblaster drivers. With XP and above there is a file usually called CTZAPXX.exe that will be on the original CD or in your Windows folder somewhere, if you run that it usually removes all the SB drivers.
When I moved from a cheap PCI-128 to a SB-Live under XP years ago never had a problem and do not remember either having any DOS support if installing the XP driver.

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Reply 4 of 5, by cyclone3d

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Horun wrote on 2020-11-23, 05:49:

Never had a problem with Win9x and Soundblaster drivers. With XP and above there is a file usually called CTZAPXX.exe that will be on the original CD or in your Windows folder somewhere, if you run that it usually removes all the SB drivers.
When I moved from a cheap PCI-128 to a SB-Live under XP years ago never had a problem and do not remember either having any DOS support if installing the XP driver.

The driver update packages usually come with that driver wiper as well.

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