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First post, by enaiel

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I'm looking for a motherboard that meets all of the below requirements:

* S370 motherboard
* mATX form factor
* FSB: 66/100/133 MHz
* CPU: VIA C3 CPU and Tualatin P-III
* Slots: 2 PCI + 1 ISA + 1 AGP

I have looked through the List of Socket 370 motherboards and the VIA C3 Verified Motherboard List, as well as searched through specs on CNet. So far, the only chipsets I could find that meet these requirements are all from VIA:

* Apollo Pro 133T (VT82C694T + VT82C686B)
* PLE133T (VT8601T + VT82C686B)
* Apollo Pro 266T (VT8653 + VT8233)

I have a MSI MS-6368 with the PLE133T chipset that meets almost all my requirements, except that it does not have an AGP slot. Does anyone know of any motherboard that actually meets all of them? Looking for the model numbers so that I can search the usual auction sites as many of the listings do not provide enough details. If not, then I will abandon this as another pointless quest. Thanks!

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 1 of 27, by Doornkaat

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The answer is in the list you posted, isn't it?
Chaintech CT-6VIA5T (ok, 3 PCI slots, but one is shared with ISA.)
Epox EP-3VSM (same.)
QDI Advance 10TM (P6V694T/A10TM) (exact amount of PCI slots, can't find pics if any are shared with ISA)

Reply 2 of 27, by BitWrangler

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Your perfect board is...... (drum roll) .....

http://www.win3x.org/uh19/motherboard/show/6001

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Reply 3 of 27, by enaiel

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-07-13, 14:16:

Your perfect board is...... (drum roll) .....

http://www.win3x.org/uh19/motherboard/show/6001

Great resource! Why haven't I seen this site before? Thank you so much!

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 4 of 27, by enaiel

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Doornkaat wrote on 2021-07-13, 14:00:
The answer is in the list you posted, isn't it? Chaintech CT-6VIA5T (ok, 3 PCI slots, but one is shared with ISA.) Epox EP-3VSM […]
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The answer is in the list you posted, isn't it?
Chaintech CT-6VIA5T (ok, 3 PCI slots, but one is shared with ISA.)
Epox EP-3VSM (same.)
QDI Advance 10TM (P6V694T/A10TM) (exact amount of PCI slots, can't find pics if any are shared with ISA)

Ah yes, I had seen the CT-6VIA5T and the EP-3VSM on the list, but the boards I found online were either missing the ISA slot or the AGP slot. There are boards that probably have both though, so I should keep looking.

I could not confirm the existence of the QDI Advance 10TM outside of that list (and now also in Win3x.org!). Sometimes manufacturers publish specs but don't actually end up putting the board for sale. I thought it was one of those.

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 5 of 27, by Doornkaat

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enaiel wrote on 2021-07-13, 15:50:
Doornkaat wrote on 2021-07-13, 14:00:
The answer is in the list you posted, isn't it? Chaintech CT-6VIA5T (ok, 3 PCI slots, but one is shared with ISA.) Epox EP-3VSM […]
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The answer is in the list you posted, isn't it?
Chaintech CT-6VIA5T (ok, 3 PCI slots, but one is shared with ISA.)
Epox EP-3VSM (same.)
QDI Advance 10TM (P6V694T/A10TM) (exact amount of PCI slots, can't find pics if any are shared with ISA)

Ah yes, I had seen the CT-6VIA5T and the EP-3VSM on the list, but the boards I found online were either missing the ISA slot or the AGP slot. There are boards that probably have both though, so I should keep looking.

I could not confirm the existence of the QDI Advance 10TM outside of that list (and now also in Win3x.org!). Sometimes manufacturers publish specs but don't actually end up putting the board for sale. I thought it was one of those.

My experience with missing slots is that it's usually the result of an OEM ordering a custom run with the slot removed to prevent upgrades. In many cases the slot is the only part that is changed from the regular version so after adding only the slot it's completely usable in most cases. If you're somewhat handy with a soldering iron you can often make a good deal on those 'castrated' boards.

Reply 6 of 27, by enaiel

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I still haven't been able to find this unicorn. Any motherboard suggestions if I increase the form factor to ATX?

* S370 motherboard
* ATX mATX form factor
* FSB: 66/100/133 MHz
* CPU: VIA C3 Nehemiah and Tualatin P-III
* Slots (at least): 2 PCI + 1 ISA + 1 AGP

Thanks!

enaiel wrote on 2021-07-13, 13:49:
I'm looking for a motherboard that meets all of the below requirements: […]
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I'm looking for a motherboard that meets all of the below requirements:

* S370 motherboard
* mATX form factor
* FSB: 66/100/133 MHz
* CPU: VIA C3 CPU and Tualatin P-III
* Slots: 2 PCI + 1 ISA + 1 AGP

I have looked through the List of Socket 370 motherboards and the VIA C3 Verified Motherboard List, as well as searched through specs on CNet. So far, the only chipsets I could find that meet these requirements are all from VIA:

* Apollo Pro 133T (VT82C694T + VT82C686B)
* PLE133T (VT8601T + VT82C686B)
* Apollo Pro 266T (VT8653 + VT8233)

I have a MSI MS-6368 with the PLE133T chipset that meets almost all my requirements, except that it does not have an AGP slot. Does anyone know of any motherboard that actually meets all of them? Looking for the model numbers so that I can search the usual auction sites as many of the listings do not provide enough details. If not, then I will abandon this as another pointless quest. Thanks!

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 8 of 27, by enaiel

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That's a very nice looking board! Too bad none available on eBay. Added to my saved searches. Any more?

Hanamichi wrote on 2021-11-05, 17:29:

Ask and you shall receive ...

https://soggi.org/motherboards/aopen/AX34-U.htm

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 9 of 27, by enaiel

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Since I'm now looking at ATX motherboards, I will also need a new ATX case. I love mATX cases due to their compact size, so I am looking for the smallest ATX cases that still have at least 2 external bays. I found 2 candidates:

  1. HEC 7106BB from Newegg
    Dimensions (H x W x D): 16.80" x 6.10" x 17.25"
    Price: $75.00
  2. GETTTECH GG-1801 from Amazon
    Dimensions (H x W x D): 13.00" x 6.90" x 16.00"
    Price: $50.00

The second case doesn't have great reviews, but look at it's size! It's ridiculously compact for a full size ATX case. It's smaller than many mATX cases out there. To verify, I checked the manufacturer's website, and found the same dimensions there. Considering that a full size ATX motherboard is 12" x 9.6", would it actually fit this case?

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 10 of 27, by BitWrangler

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The board will fit, notice how the slot plate screws overhang, saving half an inch... but any long 14" ish card obviously ain't gonna.

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Reply 11 of 27, by enaiel

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Thanks for the confirmation. I'm having trouble finding parts. I just got outbid on a couple of crappy components that I thought were a sure-shot, good ones are way above my budget. I just got into retro computers a couple of years ago, but already I'm being priced out of it. Crappy components have risen to $30+, good ones to $100+ and great ones to $200+. I just had a quick look at recent sales on eBay for common parts people buy for a typical retro pc, and it's pretty depressing:

AWE32 (CT3600) 					$39.00
AWE32 w/ OPL3 (CT3980) $99.00
AWE64 Value (CT4520) $40.00
AWE64 Gold (CT4390) $170.00
Gravis Ultrasound $250.00
S3 ViRGE DX $30.35
SB16 Vibra16 (CT2800) $42.00
YMF719E-S $35.00
MT-32 $275.00
SC-55 $208.00
3Dfx Voodoo 4MB $114.00
3Dfx Voodoo 2 8MB $148.00
3Dfx Voodoo 3 16MB $140.00
Asus P2B 440BX Slot1 $95.00
Gigabyte GA-6BXC 440BX Slot1 $105.00
Last edited by enaiel on 2021-11-10, 19:31. Edited 1 time in total.

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 12 of 27, by Hanamichi

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Prices have definitely risen and especially in regards to some of the "must haves" as they get more widespread attention.
Some of the items you have listed were expensive top of the line parts back in the day and generate strong nostalgia for some.... so maybe compromise by using MUNT for an MT32 or a Banshee instead of a Voodoo 3? While you wait for a bargain on those.

You can find some items in scrap lots, listed as spares untested and from other sources then ebay such FB marketplace, car boots if you have those?, local ads etc.

My recommendation is watch and wait, save some searches on ebay and others, trawl through ads now and again picking up your parts when they are below "buyitnow" prices.
In the meantime make a cheaper less top of the line build to enjoy.. and experiment.

If someone knows what they've got to sell on eBay and easily checks recent sold prices then you're unlikely to get a good price on it.

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Reply 13 of 27, by kolderman

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enaiel wrote on 2021-11-10, 18:07:
Thanks for the confirmation. I'm having trouble finding parts. I just got outbid on a couple of crappy components that I thought […]
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Thanks for the confirmation. I'm having trouble finding parts. I just got outbid on a couple of crappy components that I thought were a sure-shot, good ones are way above my budget. I just got into retro computers a couple of years ago, but already I'm being priced out of it. Crappy components have risen to $30+, good ones to $100+ and great ones to $200+. I just had a quick look at recent sales on eBay for common parts people buy for a typical retro pc, and it's pretty depressing:

AWE32 (CT3600) 					$39.00
AWE32 w/ OPL3 (CT3980) $99.00
AWE64 Value (CT4520) $40.00
AWE64 Gold (CT4390) $170.00
Gravis Ultrasound $250.00
S3 ViRGE DX $30.35
SB16 Vibra16 (CT2800) $42.00
YMF719E-S $35.00
MT-32 $275.00
SC-55 $208.00
3Dfx Voodoo 4 MB $114.00
3Dfx Voodoo 2 8MB $148.00
3Dfx Voodoo 3 16MB $140.00
Asus P2B 440BX Slot1 $95.00
Gigabyte GA-6BXC 440BX Slot1 $105.00

🤣 on what planet are AWE64 Golds regularly going for $170? Next you will be saying Adlib Golds are going for 250.

Reply 15 of 27, by enaiel

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No data on regular Adlib Golds, but a sealed Adlib Gold recently went for $2,427.00!

kolderman wrote on 2021-11-10, 18:46:

🤣 on what planet are AWE64 Golds regularly going for $170? Next you will be saying Adlib Golds are going for 250.

#1 VIA C3 Ezra-T 1.0GHz / MSI MS-6368 / Voodoo2+ViRGE GX / SBPro2+YMF744+AWE64+SC-7
#2 Pentium III-S Tualatin 1.40GHz / QDI A10T / Voodoo3 3000+GF4 Ti4200 / Audigy+AU8830+SC-50

Reply 16 of 27, by kolderman

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Hanamichi wrote on 2021-11-10, 18:48:

AWE64 Gold is about that price are you thinking of a different card?

e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234172388102?hash= … xAAAOSwXiJhM7GO

I have seen them go for much more than that. I would get it if it posted to my country.

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kolderman wrote on 2021-11-11, 05:19:
Hanamichi wrote on 2021-11-10, 18:48:

AWE64 Gold is about that price are you thinking of a different card?

e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234172388102?hash= … xAAAOSwXiJhM7GO

I have seen them go for much more than that. I would get it if it posted to my country.

That's crazy pricing. I have both a 4390 and a 4540 and I didn't pay more than $50 for either.

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Reply 18 of 27, by kolderman

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cyclone3d wrote on 2021-11-11, 06:01:
kolderman wrote on 2021-11-11, 05:19:
Hanamichi wrote on 2021-11-10, 18:48:

AWE64 Gold is about that price are you thinking of a different card?

e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234172388102?hash= … xAAAOSwXiJhM7GO

I have seen them go for much more than that. I would get it if it posted to my country.

That's crazy pricing. I have both a 4390 and a 4540 and I didn't pay more than $50 for either.

Of the three currently available to me on fleabay, one is $860 and the other $533. That is the range I am used to seeing for Golds.

Reply 19 of 27, by Caluser2000

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I saw a unicorn today when I was out on my motorbicycle.. It was in a paddock at the place with the worlds longest place name.

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