How exactly were you planning to install a 6800GT in a system without an AGP (or PCIe) slot?

This system has an i845GV or GL chipset with integrated AGP graphics, but no external AGP slot. Best you can do is a PCI video card.

As for what to choose - what do you want to do? If you want to run Win9x and use the Voodoo, you can even leave the Intel Extreme Graphics active and use the V2 for 3D. If you want to do faster stuff, you should go for the fastest PCI VGA you can find, but it will be pretty slow (FX5200, Gf4MX, that sort of thing), this simply isn't a game machine.

There was a dude selling off brand new in box EVGA 6200 PCIs a few months ago for around 20 a pop, could see if there's any of those left.

Motherboard looks like standard mATX to me. I would look for some s478 mATX motherboard with i865 (or i845 with AGP port if low price is important) chipset. This will give you a much better graphic performance and ability to use wide range of AGP cards (4x or 8x), which are usually cheaper than PCI versions...

luk1999 wrote on 2021-09-16, 17:39:

Motherboard looks like standard mATX to me. I would look for some s478 mATX motherboard with i865 (or i845 with AGP port if low price is important) chipset. This will give you a much better graphic performance and ability to use wide range of AGP cards (4x or 8x), which are usually cheaper than PCI versions...

yes 😀 probably in the future i will search a new motherboard and i will but an agp gpu 😀

dionb wrote on 2021-09-16, 17:13:

How exactly were you planning to install a 6800GT in a system without an AGP (or PCIe) slot?

This system has an i845GV or GL chipset with integrated AGP graphics, but no external AGP slot. Best you can do is a PCI video card.

As for what to choose - what do you want to do? If you want to run Win9x and use the Voodoo, you can even leave the Intel Extreme Graphics active and use the V2 for 3D. If you want to do faster stuff, you should go for the fastest PCI VGA you can find, but it will be pretty slow (FX5200, Gf4MX, that sort of thing), this simply isn't a game machine.

i see in the picture that there is an agp slot on the first place or not? see below

dragonerosso wrote on 2021-09-16, 17:46:

i see in the picture that there is an agp slot on the first place or not? near first pci? 😀

Looks more like CNR/AMR slot to me... AGP slot is longer and it will be positioned in a different way (it shouldn't be so close to PCI slot).
CNR/AMR slots can be used for sound cards, modems etc but not graphic cards.

luk1999 wrote on 2021-09-16, 17:55:

dragonerosso wrote on 2021-09-16, 17:46:

i see in the picture that there is an agp slot on the first place or not? near first pci? 😀

Looks more like CNR/AMR slot to me... AGP slot is longer and it will be positioned in a different way (it shouldn't be so close to PCI slot).
CNR/AMR slots can be used for sound cards, modems etc but not graphic cards.

ah ok 😀 thanks, to look at it better you are probably right 😀 😀 it will mean that i will buy a radeon 7000 😀:)

It looks like that power, reset buttons and leds connectors are combined into one... That's bad. In that case you'll probably need to cut this connector into parts to connect them to another motherboard.

The wires should go out of the plastic housing, isolate it and use it as a classic on another mobo, but it's worse with the restriction of the graphics card to the PCI version only. The supposed "AGP" port is indeed a CNR/AMR slot, with exceptions unusable.
If he buys another board and more powerful graphics (AGP or PCI-E depending on the chipset), I would check the power of the PSU. If it is weak, it may need to be replaced.

As other said it depends on what that system is going to work for. If it really supports the 3,4Ghz Prescott it'd be better to check the PSU quality/wattage cause on Socket 478 it's a power demanding high temps cpu and also as in the past others suggested me to check the cpu mainboard VRM circuits if enough capable for such power demanding CPU. A PCI video card can work ok but still depending on which o.s. and for which type of apps/games. Also if it support 2GB of DDR in dual channel it might work ok with even some "modern" o.s. (not the latest of course, P4 3,2Ghz Northwood cpu couldn't install on Win 8.x last time I tried) beside the 32bit o.s. limitation anyway of the Socket 478 cpus.

That prebuilt probably has a shitty PSU that will never be able to supply the load a Prescott or a decent GPU would require, so if you are going to switch the Celeron for a P4 then make sure to NOT get one of the more power hungry chips, try to stay within the same power envelope.

As for PCI graphics cards? For a Pentium 4 there are none that would be worth installing here, to be honest. The best thing you can do with this thing is find a PCI Voodoo 5 and boast about having a troll system that I wouldn't know whether to call a sleeper or reverse-sleeper build..

It simply wasn't a good choice of machine - I think the buyer was confused by the magic word RETROGAMES...
I think, anything in PCI that can be found for reasonable money will be bottleneck for the CPU - GeForce 2,4,5,6xxx or Radeon 7xxx or 9xxx?

dragonerosso wrote on 2021-09-16, 18:02:

ah ok 😀 thanks, to look at it better you are probably right 😀 😀 it will mean that i will buy a radeon 7000 😀:)

Well, it depends how much you'll pay for Radeon 7000 PCI 😀
There's a chance, that you'll be able to get a s478 motherboard based on i845 chipset (with AGP), Pentium 4 Northwood and something like GF4 MX440 DDR or even FX5200/FX5500 (look for models with 8 RAM chips) for the same money as you would pay for this Radeon.

BTW, remember that Win98SE won't support more than 512 MB of RAM without patches.

Ydee wrote on 2021-09-17, 14:53:

It simply wasn't a good choice of machine - I think the buyer was confused by the magic word RETROGAMES...
I think, anything in PCI that can be found for reasonable money will be bottleneck for the CPU - GeForce 2,4,5,6xxx or Radeon 7xxx or 9xxx?

The ad says 'AGP' so... I would cancel the order. OP probably just saw that and didn't inspect the pics.

Has anyone here ever used an AMR slot??

luk1999 wrote on 2021-09-17, 16:23:

Well, it depends how much you'll pay for Radeon 7000 PCI :) There's a chance, that you'll be able to get a s478 motherboard base […]
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dragonerosso wrote on 2021-09-16, 18:02:

ah ok 😀 thanks, to look at it better you are probably right 😀 😀 it will mean that i will buy a radeon 7000 😀:)

Well, it depends how much you'll pay for Radeon 7000 PCI 😀
There's a chance, that you'll be able to get a s478 motherboard based on i845 chipset (with AGP), Pentium 4 Northwood and something like GF4 MX440 DDR or even FX5200/FX5500 (look for models with 8 RAM chips) for the same money as you would pay for this Radeon.

BTW, remember that Win98SE won't support more than 512 MB of RAM without patches.

Why bother with the i845 chipset in the first place? i865 supports higher fsb and should not really be any more expensive than an i845 board.

cyclone3d wrote on 2021-09-17, 17:09:

Why bother with the i845 chipset in the first place? i865 supports higher fsb and should not really be any more expensive than an i845 board.

I've already written that i865 is an option - check my all my posts in this thread.

Regarding price and availability: it depends where you live. In my case I can often get combo: i845 or SiS mobo with P4 CPU, cooler and RAM stick for much less than I have to pay just for i865 motherboard.

dragonerosso wrote on 2021-09-16, 18:02:

luk1999 wrote on 2021-09-16, 17:55:

dragonerosso wrote on 2021-09-16, 17:46:

i see in the picture that there is an agp slot on the first place or not? near first pci? 😀

Looks more like CNR/AMR slot to me... AGP slot is longer and it will be positioned in a different way (it shouldn't be so close to PCI slot).
CNR/AMR slots can be used for sound cards, modems etc but not graphic cards.

ah ok 😀 thanks, to look at it better you are probably right 😀 😀 it will mean that i will buy a radeon 7000 😀:)

You can also find GeForce cards on PCI (not PCI-E) if you insist on using this motherboard that lacks an AGP slot. As other suggested you might want to get a compatible motherboard that doesn't lack the AGP slot. Lastly, stay away from motherboards that has a slot that looks exactly like AGP but with a different color than brown (it only appears on motherboard chipsets that truly lacks AGP such as Intel 845GV or 865GV).

drosse1meyer wrote on 2021-09-17, 17:04:

Has anyone here ever used an AMR slot??

I had one of these dial-up modem installed into that AMR slot when these kind of motherboards were mainstream. 🤣 At least my motherboard at that time had an AGP slot.

Get a standard Intel 865 board with AGP, then you can start thinking about what GPU to use 😀. Late Northwood CPUs are great, there is no need to got for a Prescott which tend to produce too much heat for socket 478 coolers resulting in lot of noise by today's standards. Also not all boards support Prescotts.

thanks 😀