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First post, by C0deHunter

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I have a DELL 7000 Inspiron retro laptop (300MHz PII CPU), and when I invoke MS-DOS (under Win98) I get no mouse. Therefore I tried using Phil's Computer Lab's easy MS-DOS mode, but the CTMOUSE locks up the system.

I have tried the CTMOUSE /S mode to force the serial mode, and although the system no longer locks up, the mouse is still NOT activated.

Pure DOS 7.1 is out of the question because the laptop's built-in ESS2 sound card does not have DOS support, so I have to use MS-DOS under Win98 mode only.

1) How can I use CTMOUSE under Win98's MS-DOS mode?

2) Are there any other solutions (besides CTMOUSE), to enable mouse under Win98's MS-DOS?

Many thanks again!

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Reply 1 of 11, by Gmlb256

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C0deHunter wrote on 2021-10-26, 15:27:

1) How can I use CTMOUSE under Win98's MS-DOS mode?

The CTMOUSE driver isn't necessary within Windows 98. If you insist, here is a thread mentioning a way to use CTMOUSE within Windows: DOS/Windows, Mouse Acceleration and you. However doing this will lose mouse support for the Windows 9x GUI.

2) Are there any other solutions (besides CTMOUSE), to enable mouse under Win98's MS-DOS?

The mouse in DOS programs within Windows should normally work without any DOS drivers loaded, seems very unusual that one would need DOS drivers for this.

Reply 2 of 11, by Sombrero

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Since no mouse driver is needed under Win98 this is a moot point, but the ctmouse driver in Phils pack didn't work for me either (under pure MS-DOS 6.22). It's using version 2.0 alpha 4, changed that to version 1.9.1 which does work.

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Reply 3 of 11, by C0deHunter

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I said under MS DOS mode of Win98

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 256MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 4 of 11, by Gmlb256

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I was assuming that you were running the games within Windows 😜. If starting from "Restart in MS-DOS mode" you should edit DOSSTART.BAT located at C:\WINDOWS to add CTMOUSE.

I had a similar issue with a Gateway desktop motherboard with CTMOUSE 2.0 and had to use MOUSE from Microsoft (consumes more memory but it works) or an older version of CTMOUSE which is 1.9.1 like Sombrero said.

Btw, this "pure" MS-DOS 7.1 doesn't really exist. It's just the MS-DOS component used on Windows 95 OSR2 and 98 with the GUI being stripped out.

Reply 5 of 11, by C0deHunter

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2021-10-26, 18:32:

If starting from "Restart in MS-DOS mode" you should edit DOSSTART.BAT located at C:\WINDOWS to add CTMOUSE.

Where should I place the CTMOUSE.EXE? Do I need to specify a path?

Thanks!

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 256MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 6 of 11, by jakethompson1

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C0deHunter wrote on 2021-10-26, 22:37:
Gmlb256 wrote on 2021-10-26, 18:32:

If starting from "Restart in MS-DOS mode" you should edit DOSSTART.BAT located at C:\WINDOWS to add CTMOUSE.

Where should I place the CTMOUSE.EXE? Do I need to specify a path?

Thanks!

I would stash it in c:\windows\command in which case you don't need to.

Reply 7 of 11, by Gmlb256

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jakethompson1 wrote on 2021-10-26, 22:39:

I would stash it in c:\windows\command in which case you don't need to.

I second this.

This is the easiest way without messing the PATH environment variable.

Reply 8 of 11, by C0deHunter

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Actually, I had to modify my DOSSTART.BAT file with the proper path, otherwise, it would not automatically load.

Version version 1.9.1 seem to work, although the mouse is VERY jittery (tested with EDIT), however on second or third launch of EDIT, it seem ok.

Thanks!

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 256MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 9 of 11, by Caluser2000

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I've had issues at times.The Legacy Mode switch (/L) sorted it out sometimes.

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Reply 11 of 11, by C0deHunter

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Could you provide download links for MS/IBM mouse.com ?

Thanks!!!

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 256MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)