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Hello and welcome to the #Quake3ToTheMAX competition!

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Are you tired of getting bad FPS in Quake3 on your pre 1999 retro lan computer?
Do you hate the shitty FPS?
Why dont you get a frikkin´3DFX graphics card your fuckhead!!
Aint got no money?
Well tweak the shit out of it then!

Join the Quake3 arena to the max competition and win a 3DFX f__n Voodoo3 2000 card!
Maddafakka!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UaSexTKsI

So what is this competition about. Its about getting the highest FPS:score in Demo FOUR in Quake3 arena.

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The person that submits the highest valid score before the 1st July wins a 3DFX Voodoo3 card!!!!
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Hardware rules:
Max Pentium III 900mhz or Athlon Thunderbird 850mhz CPU.
This means the original Athlon cpu:s. Not Athlon XP (and other Palaminos), X64, X2 and so on.
Same thing apply with the Pentium III. Tualatins and newer is not allowed.
You can use a faster Pentium III or Athlon if you underclock it.

You must use older graphics card then the first of Januari 2000. (Geforce DDR was review in late 1999 so its allowed).
A sound card and a network card is manditory. You should be able to play your Quake3 with us on our game nights.
We dont have any other hardware rules. You can have any motherboard, RAM, mouse, hard drive, SCSI controller, and so on.
It is only the CPU, GPU, sound card, and network card that has rules.

Overclocking/BIOS tweaking:
CPU overcloking for Pentium III:s is allowed to max 900 mhz. Athlons 850 mhz.
You can overclock your Graphics card, Ram, bus speeds as much as you like. No restrictions.
You can tweak/hack your BIOS as much as you like. No restrictions.

Software rules:
The operating system must be either Windows95, Windows98, or Windows Millenium.
You can tweak, hack, tune the operating system and you software in any way as much as you like. No regulations.

Quake3 rules:
Quake3 version 1.32 or compatable. The game must work with Quake3 1.32 servers.
You can tweak, hack, tune Quake3 in any way, as much as you like. Get the best drivers. Customise your Quake3:s cfg file. Craft/get you own DLL:s. Compile new exe:s. Do your own texturepacks! Use crazy plugin tools that boost your FPS. The sky is the limit!!
The only rule is that you should be able to play with us on our servers, AND that the game is playable. You must be able to see and hear the game.
Lower FOV:s (field of view) than FOV 90 is not allowed. You are not allowed to change the viewsize. 640 x 480 is the lowest allowed resolution.
TEXTURES MUST BE TURNED ON
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So tune up you Windows 9x operating system, overclock your graphics card ram etc, and tweak the shit of Quake3!

Get the highest possible score in:
Timedemo 1
Demo four.

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All tweaks, hacks, tuning. Must be explained to us.
All drivers, tools, plugins. Must be explained to us.
All cfg:s, dll:s, exe:s, texturepacks/custom pak files must be submitted to us.
We want to know your computers specifications. CPU/GPU/motherboard/graphics card/ram speed.
We want to know how much you overclocked it, what you overclocked. And so on.
We want to know everything! 🙂

To submit to the competition, download the SubmissionTemplate from our ftp. Put this in your regular File Explorer:
ftp://braindrainlan.sytes.net:21005/SubmissionTemplate/
Copy SubmissionTemplate.zip to your computer.

In the submissionTemplate file you will need to specify stuff about your computer, and you will need to send copies of your config file and other hacks/tweaks.
You will also need to do a small video with in game sound that you can hear.
In the video we want to see the following:
Cpu-z and and the devicemanager or similiar program that shows the graphic card.
Then we want to see at least a couple of benchmark runs.
After the runs are completed we want you to connect to our Quake3 server
To connect type:
"Connect braindrainlan.sytes.net" we just need to see that you can play online with us.

Here is a example video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9QKmeXTqtk

We have two reasons why we want to have all the tweaks sent to us.
First we need to validate the tweaks. We need to see that it is working. Im giving away a graphic card from my personal stash. So I want to be sure that the submission is legit.
Second. We are working on "speed pak/patch" for Quake3 that will be published after the contest is over. We can call it "Fast Quake3"

When you are done with the template, rename it to your VOGONS nick name and send it to our submissionFPT.
Host: ftp://braindrainlan.sytes.net:21005
Username: bdsubmissions Password: quake32themax.
Notice that the PORT is 21005. I usally use Filezilla so here is a picture of the settings.

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You wont see any files on the submissionFTP even when you send over your version of the Template. There will also be a couple of error messages beacuse your FTP-client will try to list files, but you dont have that privilege. Let us know when you submitted so we can check that nothing is corrupted or broke.

The competition ends July 1st 2022
May the force be with you!
The winner will be announced shortly after.

EDIT:
We have decided to allow Mac's due to requests.

Due to the fact that graphic card selection is limited on Macs and there is no
GeForce 256 for Mac or drivers we will allow GeForce 2 MX for Macs ONLY!
The alternative would be ATI Rage PRO 16MB or Voodoo2 for example but
that would never be competitive.

From my testing a G4 with 2Mb L2 cache was a bit faster then a Pentium 3
at the same frequency both with GeForce 2 MX at the same clock and both
CPU's running 100Mhz RAM and using the same config files.

So the max Allowed CPU is a PowerPC G4 867Mhz so it slots in between Athlon and
Pentium 3 and also makes it a bit more convenient for users of 133Mhz FSB Macs.
1x CPU is still the limit, so if its a dual Processor system one CPU must be
disabled.

You can use System Profiler to show what CPU you have and its frequency and
also what graphics card you are using.
The game must also have sound enabled and recorded in the video.
You must also connect to our server without quitting the game so
network card is required.

Patrik (G3Virus on our discord) is the only one that can test the Mac
version of Quake3, so pack down the hole game as a SIT file, then
make a zip file with the video and the sit file plus anything else
like source code etc that you might have used.

The game MUST run on OS 9.2.1 or Max OS X 10.4, thats because it is what our
only test system is running BUT newer versions are allowed on the system
you are benchmarking with.

You should be able to find ioQuake3 1.36 for Mac, it runs on our server.
But any version that runs on our server is fine.

Rankings and And submitted videos of benchmark runs will be posted in this thread

Edit: The competition is available on our discord server
https://discord.gg/b3xhgY7uEw

Current Rankings

Highest score at the moment.

#1 Doogie with 434,9 fps
https://youtu.be/NLJY4LxYzJc
CPU: AMD Athlon 850 A0850AMT3B (at 170x5=850MHz)
Motherboard: ABIT NF7-M 1.21, BIOS 27. nForce2 IGP - **integrated graphics, audio, ethernet disabled**, driver 4.27
RAM: 1GB, Corsair TWINX DDR3200LLPT (at 170MHz/DDR340, 2-2-2-5, dual channel)
GPU: ELSA Erazor X2-A32 GeForce 256 DDR (stock clocks), driver 12.41
NIC: Intel PRO/1000 GT, driver 8.6.17
Sound: Creative Labs CT4810 AudioPCI, driver 4.12.01
SATA: Promise FastTrack S150 TX4, driver 1.0.0.37
Storage: Crucial MX400 1TB SATA SSD
OS: Windows 98 SE, Unofficial SP 2.1a

#2 Svensktiger with 302 fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdTj4rpaxm8
Cpu= AMD Thunderbird 700MHz @ 6x141 FSB = 848MHz
GPU= ASUS V6800 GeForce DDR standard clocks
Motherboard= Abit KR7A VIA KT266A chipset
RAM= Random 512MB DDR stick that does tightest timings at 141MHz FSB

#3 Svensktiger with 263,9 fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J49-PlKo0f0
Cpu=P3-933E@900MHz, 127MHz FSB
GPU=ASUS V6800 32MB GeForce DDR
Motherboard=ABIT ST6 i815
RAM=Random 256MB stick that does tighest timings at the speed.

#4 mwd with 156,9 fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LuN6o6HHCY
Dell XPS B866
Intel 820 Chipset
Pentium 3 @ 866MHz (133MHz FSB)
1GB (2x512mb) RDRAM 800
TNT2 M64 AGP (OEM)
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz PCI Sound Card
Windows 98SE

#5 XTRINO 104.7fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoQw3HfdPVQ
Cpu: Intel Pentium 3 866mhz
GPU: Riva tnt2 Ultra (Compaq it seems)
Motherboard: Intel D815eea2
RAM: 384mb

#6 Seraph with 52,7 fps
Machine: PC-9821Ra20/N30
CPU: Pentium Pro 200Mhz 256KB cache
RAM: Stock 32MB EDO
https://youtu.be/7mB40_NsDYA

#7 JizzMasta 46 fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRsaXEaYkb0
Cpu: K6-3+ @616mhz
128mb PC133 SDRAM
Nvidia Geforce 256 SDR 32mb
ASUS P5B rev 1.04 motherboard
Creative Soundblaster Audigy
Intel PRO/1000 GT Network Card

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Reply 2 of 249, by Cuttoon

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Which type of V3?
I own a 3000 since 22 years so only the 3500 would be a step forward.

Also, I remember getting mocked for the V3 on some not-so-retro LANs with, IIRC, cs 1.5 😉

I like jumpers.

Reply 3 of 249, by Necrodude

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Cuttoon wrote on 2022-04-08, 15:15:

Which type of V3?
I own a 3000 since 22 years so only the 3500 would be a step forward.

Also, I remember getting mocked for the V3 on some not-so-retro LANs with, IIRC, cs 1.5 😉

It is a Voodoo3 2000 card

Reply 4 of 249, by Necrodude

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Garrett W wrote on 2022-04-08, 14:34:

This is fun! Do the same restrictions as with GPUs apply to motherboards and chipsets as well? And what about Athlon Thunderbird on Slot A, is that applicable?

You can have any motherboard, RAM, mouse, hard drive, SCSI controller, and so on.
It is only the CPU, GPU, sound card, and network card that has rules.

Reply 5 of 249, by Imperious

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Are Athlon Palomino cores allowed?

I guess If You do not have a Geforce DDR then You have no chance of winning.
I do have a tnt2 pro and voodoo 3 3000 so would be some fun to see what they can manage.

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Reply 6 of 249, by Doornkaat

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Imperious wrote on 2022-04-10, 04:02:

Are Athlon Palomino cores allowed?

It says "This means the original Athlon cpu:s. Not Athlon XP, X64 and so on." in the OP, so no Palomino cores but in this post it says they're allowed anyway.
I've been wondering wether Thunderbird Athlons are allowed since they're not technically "original Athlon cpu:s" and didn't release in 1999. From the wording in the rest of the post I would guess they are?

Ok, after a bit of back and forth we now know Thunderbird: yes, Palomino and other Athlon XP: no.

I guess If You do not have a Geforce DDR then You have no chance of winning.
I do have a tnt2 pro and voodoo 3 3000 so would be some fun to see what they can manage.

This was a surprise to me too. I wonder if any tweaks to the game can break the obvious superiority of the Geforce 256 DDR.
Also made me wonder why the prize is a mid-tier 1999 graphics card when you most likely need the absolute high end of 1999 to compete.

Also since AFAIK Quake III supports SMP I wonder wether a dual CPU system will be the winner or if newer single CPU boards give enough of a performance boost @850MHz to surpass dual CPU systems.

I'm looking forward to finding out what system combined with which tweaks will deliver the highest performance!😃

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Reply 7 of 249, by red-ray

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Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-08, 14:28:

Software rules:
The operating system must be either Windows95, Windows98, or Windows Millenium.
You can tweak, hack, tune the operating system and you software in any way as much as you like. No regulations.

Doornkaat wrote on 2022-04-10, 05:34:

Also since AFAIK Quake III supports SMP I wonder wether a dual CPU system will be the winner or if newer single CPU boards give enough of a performance boost @850MHz to surpass dual CPU systems.

I suspect tweaking 95, 98 or Me to support SMP will be tricky !

Reply 9 of 249, by Necrodude

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Imperious wrote on 2022-04-10, 04:02:

Are Athlon Palomino cores allowed?

I guess If You do not have a Geforce DDR then You have no chance of winning.
I do have a tnt2 pro and voodoo 3 3000 so would be some fun to see what they can manage.

EDIT: MY mistake. - The palamino cores are NOT allowed.

Good graphic cards and overclocking are about 1/3 of the competition.
Tweaking can give the other 2/3:s of the extra performance.

So If we have a dude that has a fast system with fast part. He can still be beaten of other dudes with slower systems that are better tweaked.

Doornkaat It seems that I need to clarify the rules a bit. In my head Athlons was Athlons, and XP:s was XP:s.

Athlon Thunderbirds are allowed. Athlon XP:s and newer are not allowed.

We decided to ban SMP systems just not make it to a material sport. The guys with the most expensive stuff wins.
Just because you have a Geforce 256 DDR doesnt automatically make you win. Tweaking your windows, BIOS, and Quake3 will give your the most FPS:s.

A good config file can easily double your FPS. Yes DOUBLE your FPS.

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Reply 11 of 249, by Doornkaat

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Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-10, 07:45:
Yes the palamino cores are allowed. […]
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Imperious wrote on 2022-04-10, 04:02:

Are Athlon Palomino cores allowed?

I guess If You do not have a Geforce DDR then You have no chance of winning.
I do have a tnt2 pro and voodoo 3 3000 so would be some fun to see what they can manage.

Yes the palamino cores are allowed.

Good graphic cards and overclocking are about 1/3 of the competition.
Tweaking can give the other 2/3:s of the extra performance.

So If we have a dude that has a fast system with fast part. He can still be beaten of other dudes with slower systems that are better tweaked.

Doornkaat It seems that I need to clarify the rules a bit. In my head Athlons was Athlons, and XP:s was XP:s.

Athlon Thunderbirds are allowed. Athlon XP:s and newer are not allowed.

We decided to ban SMP systems just not make it to a material sport. The guys with the most expensive stuff wins.
Just because you have a Geforce 256 DDR doesnt automatically make you win. Tweaking your windows, BIOS, and Quake3 will give your the most FPS:s.

A good config file can easily double your FPS. Yes DOUBLE your FPS.

Dude, you explicitly say Palomino cores (i.e. the first Athlon XP) are allowed but then you insist Athlon XP is not allowed?

Reply 12 of 249, by Necrodude

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Doornkaat wrote on 2022-04-10, 07:57:
Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-10, 07:45:
Yes the palamino cores are not allowed. […]
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Imperious wrote on 2022-04-10, 04:02:

Are Athlon Palomino cores allowed?

I guess If You do not have a Geforce DDR then You have no chance of winning.
I do have a tnt2 pro and voodoo 3 3000 so would be some fun to see what they can manage.

Yes the palamino cores are not allowed.

Good graphic cards and overclocking are about 1/3 of the competition.
Tweaking can give the other 2/3:s of the extra performance.

So If we have a dude that has a fast system with fast part. He can still be beaten of other dudes with slower systems that are better tweaked.

Doornkaat It seems that I need to clarify the rules a bit. In my head Athlons was Athlons, and XP:s was XP:s.

Athlon Thunderbirds are allowed. Athlon XP:s and newer are not allowed.

We decided to ban SMP systems just not make it to a material sport. The guys with the most expensive stuff wins.
Just because you have a Geforce 256 DDR doesnt automatically make you win. Tweaking your windows, BIOS, and Quake3 will give your the most FPS:s.

A good config file can easily double your FPS. Yes DOUBLE your FPS.

Dude, you explicitly say Palomino cores (i.e. the first Athlon XP) are allowed but then you insist Athlon XP is not allowed?

Yeah!

My bad! I havent finished my morning coffe yet.
Sorry I didnt mean to confuse you. Athlon XP uses the Palamino core. Witch means that all other cpu:s with that core are not allowed.
I apologize for the confusion I caused.

Reply 13 of 249, by Imperious

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You are correct Necrodude. Athlon XP starts with the Palomino core, then Thoroughbred and Barton.
It would be good to know whether there is any performance advantage clock for clock palomino over Thunderbird?

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Reply 14 of 249, by Doornkaat

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Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-10, 08:09:
Yeah! […]
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Doornkaat wrote on 2022-04-10, 07:57:
Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-10, 07:45:
Yes the palamino cores are not allowed. […]
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Yes the palamino cores are not allowed.

Good graphic cards and overclocking are about 1/3 of the competition.
Tweaking can give the other 2/3:s of the extra performance.

So If we have a dude that has a fast system with fast part. He can still be beaten of other dudes with slower systems that are better tweaked.

Doornkaat It seems that I need to clarify the rules a bit. In my head Athlons was Athlons, and XP:s was XP:s.

Athlon Thunderbirds are allowed. Athlon XP:s and newer are not allowed.

We decided to ban SMP systems just not make it to a material sport. The guys with the most expensive stuff wins.
Just because you have a Geforce 256 DDR doesnt automatically make you win. Tweaking your windows, BIOS, and Quake3 will give your the most FPS:s.

A good config file can easily double your FPS. Yes DOUBLE your FPS.

Dude, you explicitly say Palomino cores (i.e. the first Athlon XP) are allowed but then you insist Athlon XP is not allowed?

Yeah!

My bad! I havent finished my morning coffe yet.
Sorry I didnt mean to confuse you. Athlon XP uses the Palamino core. Witch means that all other cpu:s with that core are not allowed.
I apologize for the confusion I caused.

I'm sorry, this confuses me even more.
What other CPUs with the Palomino core aren't allowed?
I'm not trying to be a smartass and I'm certainly not a hater. I think Brain Drain LAN is cool, I think the competition is a nice idea, I'm just genuinely confused about the rules.
I don't think I will compete because I have no idea about Quake III tuning and as you pointed out this is an integral part of the cahllenge. So if everyone else is clear on the rules, don't mind me being confused.😅

Ah, read the other edits now. Ok, Palomino and all other Athlon XPs are out. Now I got it! 👍
No worries btw. I had a case of no coffee as well when I wondered about the impact of SMP with non-SMP Win9x.😅

Reply 15 of 249, by Necrodude

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Doornkaat wrote on 2022-04-10, 08:33:
I'm sorry, this confuses me even more. What other CPUs with the Palomino core aren't allowed? I'm not trying to be a smartass an […]
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Necrodude wrote on 2022-04-10, 08:09:
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Doornkaat wrote on 2022-04-10, 07:57:

Dude, you explicitly say Palomino cores (i.e. the first Athlon XP) are allowed but then you insist Athlon XP is not allowed?

Yeah!

My bad! I havent finished my morning coffe yet.
Sorry I didnt mean to confuse you. Athlon XP uses the Palamino core. Witch means that all other cpu:s with that core are not allowed.
I apologize for the confusion I caused.

I'm sorry, this confuses me even more.
What other CPUs with the Palomino core aren't allowed?
I'm not trying to be a smartass and I'm certainly not a hater. I think Brain Drain LAN is cool, I think the competition is a nice idea, I'm just genuinely confused about the rules.
I don't think I will compete because I have no idea about Quake III tuning and as you pointed out this is an integral part of the cahllenge. So if everyone else is clear on the rules, don't mind me being confused.😅

Ah, read the other edits now. Ok, Palomino and all other Athlon XPs are out. Now I got it! 👍
No worries btw. I had a case of no coffee as well when I wondered about the impact of SMP with non-SMP Win9x.😅

He He He!. No coffe is bad for you. It makes things go bad. 😀

Reply 18 of 249, by Necrodude

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Current rankings

First place: JizzMasta with 46 frames per second.
JIzzMastas first submission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRsaXEaYkb0

Cpu: K6-3+ @616mhz
128mb PC133 SDRAM
Nvidia Geforce 256 SDR 32mb
ASUS P5B rev 1.04 motherboard
Creative Soundblaster Audigy
Intel® PRO/1000 GT Network Card