Yep, that's the power of 65nm Pentium 4. You also have C1 revision, which is feature complete.

5213 MHz to go for promised 10GHz by Intel.

Something strange has happened.

I had the CPU post at 5GHZ but it wouldn't boot windows so I backed off to 4.5 which has been stable, however instead of running at that speed it now is only running at 3.60 regardless of what I set the bus speed to. I'll try clearing the CMOS in a bit to see if that fixes the issue.

power meter would be another fun addition to your testing

pete8475 wrote on 2022-11-27, 20:00:

Something strange has happened.

I had the CPU post at 5GHZ but it wouldn't boot windows so I backed off to 4.5 which has been stable, however instead of running at that speed it now is only running at 3.60 regardless of what I set the bus speed to. I'll try clearing the CMOS in a bit to see if that fixes the issue.

I'm officially stumped.

I've cleared the CMOS via the jumper, reset to defaults in BIOS, pulled the battery, reflashed to the current version and NOTHING has fixed the ability to change the bus speed.

The only setting that seems to work in the overclocking section is that I can select lower multipliers to get a lower CPU speed but nothing else actually has an effect.

Maybe it just needs a run with a different CPU, I don't know. But I am going to put in a Core 2 Q9550 to see how that compares with the GTX770.

EDIT:

So as I kind of expected the Q9550 destroys the P4 in the tests I've run.
GTX770 - Q9550
3dmark01 - 58603
3dmark03 - 77767
3dmark05 - 19730
Aquamark3 - 176138
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 546.044128
Botmatch - 172.735291

I will still test out that Celeron to see where it falls after it eventually arrives in December though.

EDIT 2 - Bus speed overclocking remains broken with the Q9550. Regardless of what I set it to it still runs at 333 so the CPU clockspeed does not change. Lowering the multiplier does work just like with the P4. No idea why this has happened.

Have you fried your motherboard? 😜 When I posted about power meter I wanted to add something about P4 being a space heater, but bit my tongue 😀
SetFSB 2.2 fully supports my gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (evidence in my picture posted earlier), so I suspect its going to also support P35.
yep https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/setfsb.html
ICS9LPRS587AGLF (GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3)
ICS9LPRS587EGLF (GIGABYTE P35-DS3)

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-11-30, 03:36:

Have you fried your motherboard? :P When I posted about power meter I wanted to add something about P4 being a space heater, but […]
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Have you fried your motherboard? 😜 When I posted about power meter I wanted to add something about P4 being a space heater, but bit my tongue 😀
SetFSB 2.2 fully supports my gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (evidence in my picture posted earlier), so I suspect its going to also support P35.
yep https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/setfsb.html
ICS9LPRS587AGLF (GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3)
ICS9LPRS587EGLF (GIGABYTE P35-DS3)

I'll try it right now!

I tried the gigabyte easytune software and it didn't work.

EDIT:

Not having any luck with this program. I had to look at the board to find the clockgen chip and it's an "ICS 9LPRS587EGLF" which is a choice in SETFSB. However when I click "get fsb" it throws up an error saying "PLL byte error".

The 1.6 Celeron came in today.

Benchmarking now. GT710 crashes in 3dmark2001SE and UT2003 with a bluescreen mentioning NV4_DISP. 750TI running fine so I'll do the same set of tests I did with that previously and then the GTX770 as well.

GTX750TI - Celeron D 420
3dmark01 - 20834
3dmark03 - 30515
3dmark05 - 7559
Aquamark3 - 65819
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 207.013000
Botmatch - 63.085052

GTX770 - Celeron D 420
3dmark01 - 20823
3dmark03 - 29935
3dmark05 - 7384
Aquamark3 - 65380
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 210.124344
Botmatch - 66.980415

Overclocking is somehow still not working on this board.

I don't know why but since that flirtation with 5GHZ on the P4 it simply ignores any changes related to bus speed, voltage, etc.

EDIT - I've looked through my stock of motherboards and this is the only Intel P series board I have. I have an MSI brand G31 based motherboard and an Asrock 775Dual-VSTA.

The Asrock board seems to have overclocking options, so probably later this week I'll try popping the Celeron in there and seeing what it can do. The PCI-E slow is only 4X though.

so 1.6 Celeron loses to 3.6 P4 by ~20%? I predict a win after overclocking 😀

>"PLL byte error"

I didnt get notification you posted (because of edit) and missed that part 🙁
looks like you either fried your clock gen 😮 or it lost I2C connection, or I2C hub is dead altogether on your board (bad news, its insideICH9 - the smaller big BGA chip with radiator)
Run CPU-z and check if SPD tab shows your ram. Ram sticks are using same bus to report specification
https://itcblog.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/06 … 35-ds3-v2.0.pdf page 23
pins 54 55, first check if those pins arent shorted to ground - turned off computer resistance between ground and those pins
both of those pins need a pullup so resistance between them and 3.3V (pin 1 on ATX connector) should be somewhere in the ballpark of 10Kohm
use multimeter to check connection between those pins and DIMM slot pins 119 120
or might be easier to check PCIE pins B5 B6

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-12-07, 13:15:

Run CPU-z and check if SPD tab shows your ram. Ram sticks are using same bus to report specification https://itcblog.ru/wp-conte […]
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Run CPU-z and check if SPD tab shows your ram. Ram sticks are using same bus to report specification
https://itcblog.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/06 … 35-ds3-v2.0.pdf page 23
pins 54 55, first check if those pins arent shorted to ground - turned off computer resistance between ground and those pins
both of those pins need a pullup so resistance between them and 3.3V (pin 1 on ATX connector) should be somewhere in the ballpark of 10Kohm
use multimeter to check connection between those pins and DIMM slot pins 119 120
or might be easier to check PCIE pins B5 B6

Everything does show up in the SPD tab, I doubt I'll test anything out with the multimeter, I'm not feeling particularly ambitious right now. Maybe on the weekend.

good news about cpu-z, so its isolated to clock gen. You can limits testing to checking continuity between pins 54 55 and PCIE pins B5 B6, if its fine then you fried clockgen 😮 perils of overclocking on a 20 year old board. Replacement on aliexpress US $1.14 Shipping: $3.40

There is almost no way the computer would even boot if the clockgen IC was fried.

can be partially fried, takes fsb via FSx pins directly from CPU BSEL pulldowns, but i2c died

pete8475 wrote on 2022-11-27, 20:00:

Something strange has happened.

I had the CPU post at 5GHZ but it wouldn't boot windows so I backed off to 4.5 which has been stable, however instead of running at that speed it now is only running at 3.60 regardless of what I set the bus speed to. I'll try clearing the CMOS in a bit to see if that fixes the issue.

If I were you I would try to flash very another version of bios to make a flasher erase everything in a bios chip.
I suppose some bios data is incorrect now because of the crash at 5GHz

I dont know about bios. You could argue corrupted ACPI table causing inaccessible I2C port. But on this board everything is on same single I2C bus, and cpu-z has no problem reading SPD.

There are some vendors where accessing I2C requires special magic incantations, for example Asus:

1
2      ulong temp, temp2;
3
4'3V4X'
5
6enable SPD
7      temp = inl_port($e44c);
8      outl_port ($e44c,(temp & 0xe7ffffff) | 0x08000000);
9
10disable SPD
11      outl_port($e44c,temp);
12
13----------------------
14
15'K7V'
16'A7V'
17'A7V133'
18'A7P'
19'A7M'
20
21enable SPD
22      temp = inb_port($e44d);
23      outb_port ($e44d,temp | 0x01);
24
25disable SPD
26      outb_port($e44d,temp);
27
28This one is tested on A7V133, from DSTD
29OperationRegion (\SGPO, SystemIO, 0xE44C, 0x04)
30Field (SGPO, ByteAcc, NoLock, Preserve)
31{
32    GPO0,   1,
33            Offset (0x01),
34    GPO8,   1, fe
35        ,   2,
36    GP11,   1,
37            Offset (0x04)
38}
39
40tested
411 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 GPO0
421 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 GPO8
430 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 GP11
44s c n n n n c s
45
46s=spd + hwmonitor
47c=clock + hwmonitor
48n=hwmonitor
49----------------------
50
51'P3B'
52'CUBX'
53
54enable SPD
55      temp = inb_port($e437);
56      outb_port($e437,(temp & 0xe7) | 0x08);
57
58disable SPD
59      outb_port($e437,temp);
60

61----------------------
62
63'CUPL'
64'UV4X'
65
66enable SPD
67      temp = inl_port($e44c);
68      outl_port($e44c,(temp & 0xfffff6fff) | 0x100);
69
70disable SPD
71      outl_port($e44c,temp);
72
73----------------------
74
75'USL2'
76'CUC2'
77'-A7V266-E'
78'-A7V266-M'
79'-A7V266'
80'WEM'
81'-CUW'
82'<<CUW>>'
83'P3C'
84'UEP2'
85'TUEG'
86'-MEW-'
87'<<MEW>>'
88'-P3W-E'
89'<<P3W>>'
90'CUSI'
91'CUV2'
92'A7S'
93
94enable SPD
95       outb_port($2e,$87);
96       outb_port($2e,$87);
97       outb_port($2e,7);
98       outb_port($2f,8);
99       outb_port($2e,$f1);
100       temp = inb_port($2f);
101       outb_port($2e,$f1);
102       outb_port($2f,(temp & 0xe7) | 0x10);
103       outb_port($2e,$aa);
104
105disable SPD
106       outb_port($2e,$87);
107       outb_port($2e,$87);
108       outb_port($2e,7);
109       outb_port($2f,8);
110       outb_port($2e,$f1);
111       outb_port($2f,temp);
112       outb_port($2e,$aa);
113
114----------------------
115
116'CUR'
117
118enable SPD
119       temp = inb_port($ec80);
120       outb_port($ec80,(temp & 0xef) | 0x10);
121       temp2 = inb_port($ec84);
122       outb_port($ec84,(temp2 & 0xef) | 0x10);
123
124disable SPD
125       outb_port($ec80,temp);
126       outb_port($ec84,temp2);
127
128----------------------
129
130'A7V333'
131
132enable SPD
133       outb_port($2E,$87);
134       outb_port($2E,$87);
135       outb_port($2E,7);
136       outb_port($2F,8);
137       outb_port($2E,$F0);
138       temp = inb_port($2F);
139       outb_port($2E,$F0);
140       outb_port($2F,(temp & 0xE7) | 0x10);
141       outb_port($2E,$F1);
142       temp2 = inb_port($2F);
143       outb_port($2E,$F1);
144       outb_port($2F,(temp2 & 0xE7) | 0x10);
145       outb_port($2E,$AA);
146
147disable SPD
148       outb_port($2E,$87);
149       outb_port($2E,$87);
150       outb_port($2E,7);
151       outb_port($2F,8);
152       outb_port($2E,$F0);
153       outb_port($2F,temp);
154       outb_port($2E,$F1);
155       outb_port($2F,temp2);
156       outb_port($2E,$AA);
157
158----------------------
159
160'<P4B>'
161
162enable SPD
163       outb_port($2E,$87);
164       outb_port($2E,$87);
165       outb_port($2E,7);
166       outb_port($2F,7);
167       outb_port($2E,$F2);
168       temp = inb_port($2F);
169       outb_port($2E,$F2);
170       outb_port($2F,(temp & 0xFC) | 0x1);
171       outb_port($2E,2);
172       temp2 = inb_port($2F);
173       outb_port($2F,temp2 | 0x2);
174       outb_port($2E,$AA);
175
176disable SPD
177       outb_port($2E,$87);
178       outb_port($2E,$87);
179       outb_port($2E,7);
180       outb_port($2F,7);
181       outb_port($2E,$F2);
182       outb_port($2F,temp);
183       outb_port($2E,$AA);

1Var
2 AsusSPDMethod,AsusSPDValueB1,AsusSPDValueB2 : Byte;
3 AsusSPDValueD : DWord;
4
5Procedure EnableAsusSPDSub(method:Integer);
6
7Begin
8 AsusSPDMethod :=method;
9 AsusSPDValueB1:=0;
10 AsusSPDValueB2:=0;
11 AsusSPDValueD :=0;
12
13 Case AsusSPDMethod Of
14   1 : Begin
15         AsusSPDValueD:=Port_ReadDWord($E44C);
16         Port_WriteDWord($E44C,(AsusSPDValueD And $E7FFFFFF) Or $08000000);
17       End;
18
19   2 : Begin
20         AsusSPDValueB1:=Port_ReadByte($E44D);
21         Port_WriteByte($E44D,(AsusSPDValueB1 And $F6) Or 1);
22       End;
23
24   3 : Begin
25         AsusSPDValueB1:=Port_ReadByte($E437);
26         Port_WriteByte($E437,(AsusSPDValueB1 And $E7) Or 8);
27       End;
28
29   4 : Begin
30         AsusSPDValueD:=Port_ReadDWord($E44C);
31         Port_WriteDWord($E44C,(AsusSPDValueD And $FFFFF6FF) Or $100);
32       End;
33
34   5 : Begin
35         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
36         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
37         Port_WriteByte($2E,7);
38         Port_WriteByte($2F,8);
39         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F1);
40         AsusSPDValueB1:=Port_ReadByte($2F);
41         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F1);
42         Port_WriteByte($2F,(AsusSPDValueB1 And $E7) Or $10);
43         Port_WriteByte($2E,$AA);
44       End;
45
46   6 : Begin
47         AsusSPDValueB1:=Port_ReadByte($EC80);
48         Port_WriteByte($EC80,(AsusSPDValueB1 And $EF) Or $10);
49         AsusSPDValueB2:=Port_ReadByte($EC84);
50         Port_WriteByte($EC84,(AsusSPDValueB2 And $EF) Or $10);
51       End;
52
53   7 : Begin
54         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
55         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
56         Port_WriteByte($2E,7);
57         Port_WriteByte($2F,8);
58         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F0);
59         AsusSPDValueB1:=Port_ReadByte($2F);
60         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F0);

61         Port_WriteByte($2F,(AsusSPDValueB1 And $E7) Or $10);
62         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F1);
63         AsusSPDValueB2:=Port_ReadByte($2F);
64         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F1);
65         Port_WriteByte($2F,(AsusSPDValueB2 And $E7) Or $10);
66         Port_WriteByte($2E,$AA);
67       End;
68
69   8 : Begin
70         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
71         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
72         Port_WriteByte($2E,7);
73         Port_WriteByte($2F,7);
74         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F2);
75         AsusSPDValueB1:=Port_ReadByte($2F);
76         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F2);
77         Port_WriteByte($2F,(AsusSPDValueB1 And $FC) Or 1);
78         Port_WriteByte($2E,2);
79         Port_WriteByte($2F,Port_ReadByte($2F) Or 2);
80         Port_WriteByte($2E,$AA);
81       End;
82 End;
83End;
84
85Procedure EnableAsusSPD;
86
87Type
88 asusidrec=Record
89   id : String[10];
90   m  : Byte;
91 End;
92
93Const
94 asusid : Array [1..31] Of asusidrec=
95 (
96   (id:'A7V266MX';  m:0),  // no need to enable anything
97   (id:'-A7V266-E'; m:5),
98   (id:'-A7V266-M'; m:5),
99   (id:'-A7V266';   m:5),
100   (id:'A7V333';    m:7),
101   (id:'3V4X';      m:1),
102   (id:'UV4X';      m:4),
103   (id:'CUBX';      m:3),
104   (id:'USL2';      m:5),
105   (id:'CUC2';      m:5),
106   (id:'P3B' ;      m:3),
107   (id:'WEM' ;      m:5),
108   (id:'-CUW' ;     m:5),
109   (id:'<<CUW>>' ;  m:5),
110   (id:'K7V' ;      m:2),
111   (id:'A7V' ;      m:2),
112   (id:'A7P' ;      m:2),
113   (id:'A7M' ;      m:2),
114   (id:'CUR' ;      m:6),
115   (id:'P3C' ;      m:5),
116   (id:'UEP2';      m:5),
117   (id:'TUEG';      m:5),
118   (id:'-MEW-' ;    m:5),
119   (id:'<<MEW>>' ;  m:5),
120   (id:'-P3W-E' ;   m:5),
121   (id:'<<P3W>>' ;  m:5),
122   (id:'CUSI';      m:5),
123   (id:'CUV2';      m:5),
124   (id:'A7S' ;      m:5),
125   (id:'CUPL';      m:4),
126   (id:'<P4B>';     m:8)
127 );
128
129Var
130 i : Integer;
131 s : String;
132
133Begin
134 AsusSPDMethod :=0;
135 AsusSPDValueB1:=0;
136 AsusSPDValueB2:=0;
137 AsusSPDValueD :=0;
138
139 If FindSysBIOSString(0,$FF00,'ASUSTeK')<>$FFFF Then
140 Begin
141   s:=AwardMotherboardID;
142
143   For i:=Low(asusid) To High(asusid) Do
144   If Pos(asusid[i].id,s)<>0 Then
145   Begin
146     AsusSPDMethod:=asusid[i].m;
147     Break;
148   End;
149 End;
150
151 If AsusSPDMethod<>0 Then EnableAsusSPDSub(AsusSPDMethod);
152End;
153
154Procedure DisableAsusSPD;
155
156Begin
157 Case AsusSPDMethod Of
158   1 : Port_WriteDWord($E44C,AsusSPDValueD);
159   2 : Port_WriteByte($E44D,AsusSPDValueB1);
160   3 : Port_WriteByte($E437,AsusSPDValueB1);
161   4 : Port_WriteDWord($E44C,AsusSPDValueD);
162
163   5 : Begin
164         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
165         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
166         Port_WriteByte($2E,7);
167         Port_WriteByte($2F,8);
168         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F1);
169         Port_WriteByte($2F,AsusSPDValueB1);
170         Port_WriteByte($2E,$AA);
171       End;
172
173   6 : Begin
174         Port_WriteByte($EC80,AsusSPDValueB1);
175         Port_WriteByte($EC84,AsusSPDValueB2);
176       End;
177
178   7 : Begin
179         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
180         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
181         Port_WriteByte($2E,7);
182         Port_WriteByte($2F,8);
183         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F0);
184         Port_WriteByte($2F,AsusSPDValueB1);
185         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F1);
186         Port_WriteByte($2F,AsusSPDValueB2);
187         Port_WriteByte($2E,$AA);
188       End;
189
190   8 : Begin
191         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
192         Port_WriteByte($2E,$87);
193         Port_WriteByte($2E,7);
194         Port_WriteByte($2F,7);
195         Port_WriteByte($2E,$F2);
196         Port_WriteByte($2F,AsusSPDValueB1);
197         Port_WriteByte($2E,$AA);
198       End;
199 End;
200 AsusSPDMethod:=0;
201End;

but if Gigabyte needed that then SetFSB would implement it as it claims to directly support GIGABYTE P35-DS3.
pete8475 you can also try https://www.techpowerup.com/systool/ just in case.

Roman555 wrote on 2022-12-08, 17:35:

If I were you I would try to flash very another version of bios to make a flasher erase everything in a bios chip.
I suppose some bios data is incorrect now because of the crash at 5GHz

I'm busy tonight and tomorrow but that should be easy and I will definitely try it.

rasz_pl wrote on 2022-12-08, 20:02:

pete8475 you can also try https://www.techpowerup.com/systool/ just in case.

Will do this weekend!

Force lowest DRAM frequncy and boot with it, BEFORE you try to test "1600" under FSB.
Of that doesn't help reflash the BIOS to older version or switch to moded one.
Also Does Ctrl+F1 BIOS unlock change anything ?

agent_x007 wrote on 2022-12-09, 21:05:

Force lowest DRAM frequncy and boot with it, BEFORE you try to test "1600" under FSB.
Of that doesn't help reflash the BIOS to older version or switch to moded one.
Also Does Ctrl+F1 BIOS unlock change anything ?

This whole time I've always made sure the memory is at it's rated speed or lower but sure I'll set it to the slowest option right now and see what happens. The lowest choice is 400mhz so I'm saving that and lettiing it reboot into windows, I'll see what CPU-Z says about the ram speed and then I'll try upping the bus speed by 10mhz to see if anything actually happens now.

Ctrl+F1 as far as I can tell only reveals an option for "PCI Latency Timer (CLK)" in the "PnP/PCI Configurations" page. Doesn't seem to add anything on the MB Intelligent Tweaker page.

EDIT - Bus speed still refuses to change even with the memory set to the slowest speed.

EDIT 2 - I've now tried 210mhz and 220mhz CPU Host Frequency, no change with either setting.

EDIT 3 - Also just checked and the highest selectable CPU Host Frequency is 700mhz so unfortunately there will be no testing at 1600. 🤣

So I've tried going back to an older bios version, F11 instead of F13 and no change when it comes to overclocking. CPU still remains at stock clock speed regardless of anything I do in the bios.

Also I've tried Systool and it reports "your motherboard was not found in the detection list" at first, so I went into the CPU overclocking section to see if anything could still be done and see a "clock generator" drop down. None of the choices are the one on this board and anything you select on the list gives a message of "clock generator not found." and leaves all the overclocking options greyed out.

I'm about to put this junk machine into storage in my closet so if you guys have any other ideas let me know and I'll try them.

as I said you most likely fried clockgen with P4 😮, or it got so hot somehow one of the pins responsible for serial communication (54 55) disconnected from the track