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First post, by ciornyi

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Hello mates,

I decided to build 486 dos machine and wondering what would best to fit in this build. Since i've got variety of components id like to hear your opinion . So here we go .
Videocards i have (PCI):
SIS 6202
S3 virge
S3 trio , maybe some more , not sure .

Sound cards (ISA):
Yamaha 715,719
Analog devices ad1816
Ess 1869, 1868
Vibra 16C
Crystal CX4235

Well all those cards is "low end" at time they were actual so not much expectations .

DOS: 166mmx/16mb/Y719/S3virge
DOS/95: PII333/128mb/AWE64/TNT2M64
Win98: P3_900/256mb/SB live/3dfx V3
Win Me: Athlon 1700+/512mb/Audigy2/Geforce 3Ti200
Win XP: E8600/4096mb/SB X-fi/HD6850

Reply 1 of 8, by paradigital

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Yamaha YMF719 with the filter fix is a damned good card according to quite a number of us on VOGONS and beyond:

Re: Yamaha YMF71x SB Pro Mixer Bug Issue Fix

Add in a DreamBlaster and it’s a force to be reckoned with for DOS gaming.

Reply 2 of 8, by lti

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The Yamaha and ESS chips are good, but depending on the model of card, you might have problems with noise or sound quality. That isn't a problem with the chips themselves, though.

I've never heard of the SiS 6202, but if you have all of the video cards you listed, try them and see how they perform. The S3 Trio series was common and known for good performance and compatibility.

Reply 4 of 8, by ciornyi

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Thanks for info . Im stuck with cd rom now . 🤣

DOS: 166mmx/16mb/Y719/S3virge
DOS/95: PII333/128mb/AWE64/TNT2M64
Win98: P3_900/256mb/SB live/3dfx V3
Win Me: Athlon 1700+/512mb/Audigy2/Geforce 3Ti200
Win XP: E8600/4096mb/SB X-fi/HD6850

Reply 5 of 8, by dionb

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If DOS only, the S3s will be completely interchangeable in terms of performance; go with the one with best picture quality (an issue as low end cards with S3 chips tend to have a 'washed out' look). SiS 6202 isn't terrible, but its VESA compatibility doesn't come close to S3's, and cards sporting it tend to be even lower end than the bottom of the S3 barrel.

For the sound, the perfect card doesn't exist and it's a matter of which compromise is most relevant to you and the games you play.

I agree the AD1816's awful. Crystal chips tend to be decent, but the CS4235 is an exception, its FM synth is bugged to the point of almost as bad as the AD.

The rest could be decent depending on the exact card:
- YMF71x have perfect OPL3 FM, good SBPro2 compatibility, bug-free MIDI and WSS support for 16b audio.
- ES186x have ESFM OPL3-clone (decent but different), good SBPro2 compatibility, bug-free MIDI but only proprietary (and hardly supported) AudioDrive for 16b audio.
- Vibra 16C depends strongly on exactly which one. In any event you get Sound Blaster 16 16b audio and at least one kind of MIDI hanging note bug, plus Vibra hissing and ringing. You may also get more severe hanging notes, bad self-noise and nasty metallic CQM FM synthesis.

I'd personally tend to one of the YMF chips, but actual card desgin could make one of the ESS-based cards better. Depends on models and condition they are in.

Reply 6 of 8, by ciornyi

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Wow thanks for such detailed reply . Anyway I got stuck with cd rom , found that such ancient hardware doesn't support boot from cd rom and it makes things more complicated.

DOS: 166mmx/16mb/Y719/S3virge
DOS/95: PII333/128mb/AWE64/TNT2M64
Win98: P3_900/256mb/SB live/3dfx V3
Win Me: Athlon 1700+/512mb/Audigy2/Geforce 3Ti200
Win XP: E8600/4096mb/SB X-fi/HD6850

Reply 7 of 8, by zyga64

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You can use PlopBootManager which provides CD-ROM (and more) boot support for motherboards which doesn't support it natively.
https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/features.html
It can be installed on floppy.

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