ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-07-08, 00:57:

..My problem is Windows 98SE sees the drive, it calls it a IEEE 1394 CD-ROM device..

Not sure if I understand correctly. Windows 98SE installed the driver and the drive show up in device manager.
And the problem is?

No driver letter assigned?
Cannot read DVD disc?
Cannot read CD disc?

Or the drivers cannot be installed successfully?

The driver or drivers install and then I reboot the system and then it shows up in Device manager with a yellow zap as either code 11 or code 10, when I use the KB242975 drivers its code 11 (wrong drivers) and with the SP3 drivers its code 10 no drivers.

Its a very strange problem that Ive just never had before...

I think a fresh install is called for myself, but I really dont want to as apart from this its setup pretty much how I want it this time.

Having had a poke around its IDE to Firewire control board thats causing the driver issue, the IDE DVD ROM isnt even seen as the control board between the disc drive and windows doesnt have the correct drivers to make it work.

Best advice is to not install the dumpster fire of Unofficial SP3. You're going to have to do a clean reinstall becasue unofficial SP3 has infected your computer. All you need is NUSB. 2.2e is the last version that doesn't replace explorer.exe and cause unwanted problems. After that install the 2.2.1 INF update. Then try your Firewire CD-ROM.

Isn't NUSB 2.x being limited to USB 1.1, though?
And isn't NUSB language dependant?
I wonder, because I've found German versions, but none for English.

Edit: I'm more of layman here, haven't found anything before v2.4 online so far.
Older releases aren't being available for download anymore.

The NUSBs were done by MDXG and he had a dedicated website for them, thats long gone. The name alludes me right now, but all of the versions were posted on it at one time including other languages.

They started out as being drop in replacements of 98se files using official patches and some updated drivers for USB and firewire from ME patches that were compatibile and updated INFs with hardware IDs for detecting modern drives etc.

Unfortunatly he took the same approach as Problemchyd who made the unoffcial SP3, and started adding modified files that only worked if you used unofficial service packs and broke things if you didnt as well as broke things when you did.

Warlord wrote on 2023-07-08, 04:59:

Best advice is to not install the dumpster fire of Unofficial SP3. You're going to have to do a clean reinstall becasue unofficial SP3 has infected your computer. All you need is NUSB. 2.2e is the last version that doesn't replace explorer.exe and cause unwanted problems. After that install the 2.2.1 INF update. Then try your Firewire CD-ROM.

Yeah I would agree with you on that one, I really dont like SP3. but some of its files in SP3.cab can be useful to have.

I have and use nusb3.3 and nudb3.6e without problems.

2.2.1 INF update is a new one on me, where can i get that from?
It sounds like an updater to the chipset drivers?

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-07-08, 00:57:

I have unofficial SP3 installed

Here it is your problem. Texas Instruments FireWire chipset that your card uses is officially supported by Win98SE.

So I need to force Windows to use the chipset driver after SP3 is installed?

Try a vanilla Windows ME install to isolate your issue. It has 1394 OHCI support out of the box.

A fresh install of Win98SE with just the basic drivers installed saw it working.
As soon as I installed the core system files update from SP3 it stopped working.

I dont like that SP3 update at all. Im not even sure its needed any more either as this thing is never going to be used for anything more than game playing.
So I think Ill leave it there.

Thanks to those who tried to help, but I think this problem is one of those that just shouldnt even be there anyway.