If its not a tualeron, then tualatin has twice more cache than coppermine. This can help in a cpu-dependent games.

I did 3Dmark benchmarks for these Processors at equal clocks where possible, with Geforce4 Ti4200 graphics.
Tualatin Celeron vs Williamette Celeron

Actually, you could get by with far less than a 1GHz Coppermine to feed a V3-2000. But Coppermine PIIIs are cheap, so yeah, just go for the top 1 GHz version. 😀

I use a V3-3500 slightly overclocked to 193MHz with a Celeron-1400, and I'm completely GPU-limited--at all times--even at low resolutions. Once you're over K6-3 and P2 levels of CPU performance, it really does not take much to saturate a Voodoo 3.

I would always go for an Intel chipset, like the i815, unless there's some ISA issues, that makes it uninteresting ...?

gerwin wrote on 2023-07-18, 20:27:

I did 3Dmark benchmarks for these Processors at equal clocks where possible, with Geforce4 Ti4200 graphics.
Tualatin Celeron vs Williamette Celeron

Thanks for the link. These benchmarks are very interesting.

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2023-07-18, 21:00:

You could get by with far less than a 1GHz Coppermine to feed a V3-2000. But Coppermine APIs are cheap, so yeah, just go for the top 1 GHz version. 😀

I use a V3-3500 slightly overclocked to 193MHz with a Celeron-1400, and I'm completely GPU-limited--at all times--even at low resolutions. Once you're over K6-3 and P2 levels of CPU performance, it does not take much to saturate a Voodoo 3.

Thanks for the info. Yes, I am aware that 1 GHZ is already very high-end for a Voodoo 3 but I just want to use it simply because I can. The availability is also very good which is another reason why going for one would be a good idea.

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-18, 22:26:

I would always go for an Intel chipset, like the i815, unless there's some ISA issues, that makes it uninteresting ...?

I do not really need ISA because I want to play just Win 98SE glide games most of the time. Thanks for the advice by the way I will look into Intel 815 chipset as well. my first rig also as intel 440bx chipset (have a asus p2b) and it runs like champ. So I would feel very save to go with intel again in general.

I did not consider intel 815 mb until now because I can remember that I have read the intel 800 series was not that good. But after you mentioned the I 815 I double-checked again and found out the I820 was the chipset with the bad reputation and not the i815.

is there a particular i 815 motherboard you would recommend?

You don't need a Tualatin, but if you end up getting one just for the sake of it I've noticed that motherboards that don't support the top-of-the-line Tualatin CPUs and/or don't have ISA slots are considerably cheaper that others.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 05:52:

Voodoo 3.
intel 440bx chipset

Are you sure that voodoo 3 will work with the AGP bus at 89MHz?
Intel 815 has only one problem - memory limit of 512MB.
Which was not a problem at the time of its relevance, however.

I would say that there are no wrong answers, the Voodoo 3 can be paired with a lot of platforms, depending on what you want to achieve.
Based on my experience, a Pentium 3 Coppermine 1 GHz is already a bit overkill for a Voodoo 3, especially if you play at resolutions higher than 800 x 600. Having said that, you might find some edge cases where a faster CPU could give you better frametime stability in certain titles.
As for motherboards, both the 440BX and i815 will work great (though, my go-to choice for a Voodoo 3 would definitely be the 440BX).

Personally, on these faster platforms, I prefer a GeForce 2 GTS (or GeForce 3) + Voodoo 2 combo, because it gives you the best of both worlds: 32 bit color and great performance at higher resolutions in most Direct3D/OpenGL titles + compatibility with almost all Glide exclusive games (including DOS Glide games).

shevalier wrote on 2023-07-19, 06:26:

Are you sure that voodoo 3 will work with the AGP bus at 89MHz?

This question has a very complicated answer.
After having tested 100+ 440BX motherboards, I've come to realize that this 89 MHz AGP compatibility is very weird and not as clear-cut as one might imagine, in the sense that a card might work perfectly well at 89MHz on a certain 440BX motherboard, and the EXACT same card might display artifacts or exhibit other weird behavior on another 440BX motherboard when running at FSB133/89MHz AGP.
Generally, though, the Voodoo 3 does work fine at 89 MHz: https://www.anandtech.com/show/574/10

Thanks for the further replies.

@shevalier Sorry for my unclear statement. My first rig has the intel 440bx chipset. It is running with tnt2 right now and 400 mhz p2. After few month of testing I will replace the p2 400 mhz with p3 900 mhz via a slocket adpater and geforce 4200.

I never planned to use the voodoo 3 with the 440bx chipset.

The Voodoo 3 system is going to buildt from the scratch. I had planned to use one the motherboards that I have already mentioned above. But I will also look into the intel 815 chipset.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 07:20:

But I will also look into the intel 815 chipset.

Out of box (for newer stepping I815)
- 133MHz FSB with right divider for AGP
- better RAM stick capability
- integrated Intel pro100 VE lan
- full capability with Cu-mine/Tualatin
- UDMA100
- AGP 4x

But everyone wants 440BX 😁
I815 is "not including one might think", it is practically the best of available.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 07:20:

My first rig has the intel 440bx chipset. It is running with tnt2 right now and 400 mhz p2. After few month of testing I will replace the p2 400 mhz with p3 900 mhz via a slocket adpater and geforce 4200.

That's an odd approach. The GeForce 4 will be bottlenecked by the 900 MHz CPU, especially in lower resolutions. While the Voodoo 3 will be bottlenecking the Tualatin due to its limited GPU performance.

It would make more sense to do the reverse, meaning pair the GeForce 4 with a Tualatin and the Voodoo 3 with that 900 MHz Coppermine.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2023-07-19, 07:34:

That's an odd approach. The GeForce 4 will be bottlenecked by the 900 MHz CPU, especially in lower resolutions. While the Voodoo 3 will be bottlenecking the Tualatin due to its limited GPU performance.

It would make more sense to do the reverse, meaning pair the GeForce 4 with a Tualatin and the Voodoo 3 with that 900 MHz Coppermine.

Was about to write the same. 😁

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-18, 22:26:

I would always go for an Intel chipset, like the i815, unless there's some ISA issues, that makes it uninteresting ...?

I do not really need ISA because I want to play just Win 98SE glide games most of the time. Thanks for the advice by the way I will look into Intel 815 chipset as well. my first rig also as intel 440bx chipset (have a asus p2b) and it runs like champ. So I would feel very save to go with intel again in general.

I did not consider intel 815 mb until now because I can remember that I have read the intel 800 series was not that good. But after you mentioned the I 815 I double-checked again and found out the I820 was the chipset with the bad reputation and not the i815.

is there a particular i 815 motherboard you would recommend?

Well, i815 has the clear disadvantage that it only supports up to 512 MiB of memory, and clock-for-clock is probably marginally slower than BX (but what isn't slower than BX? 🤣)

I would probably look for an ASUS CUSL2 of some variant .. (AFAIR the CUSL2-C is the "normal" version)

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-19, 08:22:

(but what isn't slower than BX? 🤣)

sis 635t ?

SiS 635T (ECS P6S5AT) – Hail to the King
Fastest Tualatin Chipset / Best Pentium III Motherboard

PS. VIA chipsets are highly dependent of the implementation of the BIOS, so you won't be able to take any board on the VIA694T.
It takes a long time and tedious to choose a specific model.
I815 motherboard - almost any motherboard will work fine, especially Intel D815EEA2

bloodem wrote on 2023-07-19, 07:38:

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2023-07-19, 07:34:

That's an odd approach. The GeForce 4 will be bottlenecked by the 900 MHz CPU, especially in lower resolutions. While the Voodoo 3 will be bottlenecking the Tualatin due to its limited GPU performance.

It would make more sense to do the reverse, meaning pair the GeForce 4 with a Tualatin and the Voodoo 3 with that 900 MHz Coppermine.

Was about to write the same. 😁

Thanks a lot for the info. And thank you too @bloodem. I made a newbie mistake then. I am eager to learn about my mistakes and will do the reverse like you said. It would be no problem to swap the planned parts. The spare parts ( the 4200ti and he p3 900 mhz) are still in their boxes. The 440bx system is still in pristine condition with the p2 400 MHz and the Riva tnt2l like it was shipped to me.

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-19, 08:22:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 05:52:

I do not really need ISA because I want to play just Win 98SE glide games most of the time. Thanks for the advice by the way I […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-18, 22:26:

I would always go for an Intel chipset, like the i815, unless there's some ISA issues, that makes it uninteresting ...?

I do not really need ISA because I want to play just Win 98SE glide games most of the time. Thanks for the advice by the way I will look into Intel 815 chipset as well. my first rig also as intel 440bx chipset (have a asus p2b) and it runs like champ. So I would feel very save to go with intel again in general.

I did not consider intel 815 mb until now because I can remember that I have read the intel 800 series was not that good. But after you mentioned the I 815 I double-checked again and found out the I820 was the chipset with the bad reputation and not the i815.

is there a particular i 815 motherboard you would recommend?

Well, i815 has the clear disadvantage that it only supports up to 512 MiB of memory, and clock-for-clock is probably marginally slower than BX (but what isn't slower than BX? : 🤣:)

I would probably look for an ASUS CUSL2 of some variant .. (AFAIR the CUSL2-C is the "normal" version)

Thanks for the info and your recommendation.

About the ram limit of the I815 does it matter? I thought 512 mb ram would already be way over the top for a win98SE gaming rig.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 09:13:

About the ram limit of the I815 does it matter? I thought 512 mb ram would already be way over the top for a win98SE gaming rig.

Correct. It would only matter if you were planning on having a WinXP + Win98 dual boot build (of course, there are much better platforms for that purpose).
In the case of a pure Win98 build, the 512 MB limit actually helps, and for all intents and purposes it's way overkill, anyway. 😀

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-19, 08:22:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 05:52:

I do not really need ISA because I want to play just Win 98SE glide games most of the time. Thanks for the advice by the way I […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-18, 22:26:

I would always go for an Intel chipset, like the i815, unless there's some ISA issues, that makes it uninteresting ...?

I do not really need ISA because I want to play just Win 98SE glide games most of the time. Thanks for the advice by the way I will look into Intel 815 chipset as well. my first rig also as intel 440bx chipset (have a asus p2b) and it runs like champ. So I would feel very save to go with intel again in general.

I did not consider intel 815 mb until now because I can remember that I have read the intel 800 series was not that good. But after you mentioned the I 815 I double-checked again and found out the I820 was the chipset with the bad reputation and not the i815.

is there a particular i 815 motherboard you would recommend?

Well, i815 has the clear disadvantage that it only supports up to 512 MiB of memory, and clock-for-clock is probably marginally slower than BX (but what isn't slower than BX? 🤣)

I would probably look for an ASUS CUSL2 of some variant .. (AFAIR the CUSL2-C is the "normal" version)

The only real disadvantage is the lack of ISA slots.
512mb cap limit is not a problem. If you need more than that it means you are choosing the wrong platform.
BX is slightly faster but in real world difference are only few %. Something that you don't have to carry about it.
For some reason, I don't know why, ASUS CUSL2-C has less overclocks capabilities. It starts to struggle at around 160mhz FSB. CUSL2 has no problem to go over 200mhz. Anyway if you are not competing for any HWBOT competition even this one it is not a problem.
https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=2617082

bloodem wrote on 2023-07-19, 09:58:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 09:13:

About the ram limit of the I815 does it matter? I thought 512 mb ram would already be way over the top for a win98SE gaming rig.

Correct. It would only matter if you were planning on having a WinXP + Win98 dual boot build (of course, there are much better platforms for that purpose).
In the case of a pure Win98 build, the 512 MB limit actually helps, and for all intents and purposes it's way overkill, anyway. 😀

Thanks for the info. I am going to use the system for win98se only. I am interested in xp gaming as well but for that purpose, I would build a more powerful system.

Stermy57 wrote on 2023-07-19, 10:30:

The only real disadvantage is the lack of ISA slots. 512mb cap limit is not a problem. If you need more than that it means you a […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-07-19, 08:22:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-19, 05:52:

I do not really need ISA because I want to play just Win 98SE glide games most of the time. Thanks for the advice by the way I will look into Intel 815 chipset as well. my first rig also as intel 440bx chipset (have a asus p2b) and it runs like champ. So I would feel very save to go with intel again in general.

I did not consider intel 815 mb until now because I can remember that I have read the intel 800 series was not that good. But after you mentioned the I 815 I double-checked again and found out the I820 was the chipset with the bad reputation and not the i815.

is there a particular i 815 motherboard you would recommend?

Well, i815 has the clear disadvantage that it only supports up to 512 MiB of memory, and clock-for-clock is probably marginally slower than BX (but what isn't slower than BX? 🤣)

I would probably look for an ASUS CUSL2 of some variant .. (AFAIR the CUSL2-C is the "normal" version)

The only real disadvantage is the lack of ISA slots.
512mb cap limit is not a problem. If you need more than that it means you are choosing the wrong platform.
BX is slightly faster but in real world difference are only few %. Something that you don't have to carry about it.
For some reason, I don't know why, ASUS CUSL2-C has less overclocks capabilities. It starts to struggle at around 160mhz FSB. CUSL2 has no problem to go over 200mhz. Anyway if you are not competing for any HWBOT competition even this one it is not a problem.
https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=2617082

Thanks for the info. ISA slots would be a nice add one but I do not really need them because I will use the game for win98 gaming only.

Stermy57 wrote on 2023-07-19, 10:30:

The only real disadvantage is the lack of ISA slots.

Again not theiceman085's concern. But another thing about i815 boards is their lack of slot-1 CPU interface. So no Slotket tweaks and Pentium II support.