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First post, by ElectroSoldier

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As the title says Im looking for some help matching a Windows OS to hardware based on what is most suitable.
I think its easier if I list the PC and then a a general list of the OSs Im thinking of and you guys can offer up an option of what you think that hardware should have on it.

Its just two for now but

Dell GX50 - Celeron 1300 - RAM as required from 64Mb upto 1Gb - HDD as required by OS - 2x PCI full height half length slots.
SoundMax audio onboard - Graphics onboard Intel 815 chipset but can upgrade with PCI so i could add a TNT2 or FX5200 etc.
Drivers for 95, 98, ME, 2K & XP

Dell GX150 - PIII 1GHz - Ram as required from 128 - 1Gb, HDD as required by OS - 1x AGP Low Profile - 2x PCI full height half length slots
SoundMax audio onboard - Graphics onboard Intel 815E chipset can upgrade but I would have to buy it. upto Geforce 6200 I think!
Drivers for DOS, Win 3.1, 95, 98, ME, NT3.51, NT4, 2K, XP

Im open to swapping out the CPU to something else, but again I would have to buy the replacement first.

Looking to play some older games like CnC RA, Res Evil, Space Hulk etc.

Gimme some ideas as I spent all my time messing about with NT4 and up and never really got into the 9X games playing hardware while it was current so I dont really know what goes with what.
I would like to have a play with 3.1 again (first OS for me) but will it run on either of those two machines?

Oh and while Im here can anybody think of an Adaptec SCSI card that is low profile PCI with either a 50pin HD or VHDCI external connector? Only one I have that fits is an AHA-29160LP. Needed for a GX270 build.

Reply 1 of 11, by fosterwj03

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I used Windows XP with a Celeron 1.3 GHz back in the early 00's. I thought it was great. I'd pair it with a nice graphics card, though. Almost any GPU will improve the graphics performance over the integrated Intel graphics.

I never had a 1 GHz Pentium III, but you probably won't go wrong with Windows 98 SE on that computer.

Reply 2 of 11, by SScorpio

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IMO those machines are way too new for 3.1. At Win95's release 486s and original Pentiums were common Go ahead and experiment if you want. But you would also just try running the included progman.exe that's bundled in 9x installations. That'll give you a taste of that old interface without needing to run real 3.1 and dealing with drivers and the system running too fast, etc.

With either system, I'd go with Win98 SE, or maybe even try out ME if you aren't going to be using pure DOS mode.

For storage in my DOS and Win9x systems, I personally finalized on SD2IDE adapters. I have 3D-printed mounts to put them at the back of the PC for easy swapping. And low-size SD cards are dirt cheap. Being able to power down, eject, and slot in a different card, and power back up into a different OS makes life easy. You can also put the cards into a USB SD reader to transfer files with a modern PC with ease.

Reply 4 of 11, by fosterwj03

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I concur with mulit-booting for more fun. I use a SATA to IDE adapter with my older computers. I connect that to an external SATA enclosure, and just swap SATA SSDs when I want to use a different OS.

Reply 6 of 11, by Cosmic

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-08-05, 22:46:

I think Ill be running Windows 98SE on a GX270.

So you think those two PCs are to powerful for 3.1 and or 95c?

I think Windows 95 would be cool to play around on with this hardware. The unofficial "OSR2 SP1" seems to add quite a lot in terms of patches and support, and I noticed a slowdown on the PC I tried it on (486 50MHz, so it was slow to begin with, hah), so much faster hardware like you have here could be a nice system for fully patched Windows 95. Win 3.1 should work especially if you have drivers, but for me personally I'd rather run it on older hardware, like a 486, where it fits the CPU and era well. Nothing wrong with playing around with different OSs just for fun's sake though.

I think Windows 98 SE is the gold standard for learning and playing around with Windows 9x though, especially if you haven't already explored it much.

Reply 7 of 11, by Shponglefan

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-08-05, 22:46:

I think Ill be running Windows 98SE on a GX270.

So you think those two PCs are to powerful for 3.1 and or 95c?

Yeah, those processors were released in the early 2000s which puts them in roughly in the Windows 98 or Windows ME era.

Windows 3.1 is really suited for a 486 era machine, and Windows 95 is best on a Pentium MMX.

There's nothing stopping you from experimenting with any OS you want. But if you're looking for a more authentic Windows 3.1 or 95 experience, you're better off with older hardware.

Pentium 4 Multi-OS Build
486 DX4-100 with 6 sound cards
486 DX-33 with 5 sound cards

Reply 8 of 11, by fosterwj03

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-08-05, 22:46:

I think Ill be running Windows 98SE on a GX270.

So you think those two PCs are to powerful for 3.1 and or 95c?

I got Windows 95 running on a Core 2 Duo recently, so your computers aren't too fast.

I've run Windows 3.1 on a Core i7, as well.

The hardest trick to both is finding OS drivers for accelerated graphics, audio, and networking. The processor and memory don't really matter that much for the base OS if you apply the right patches.

Reply 9 of 11, by jakethompson1

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-08-05, 11:23:

I would like to have a play with 3.1 again (first OS for me) but will it run on either of those two machines?

Before you put the effort into getting it to run on those, keep in mind that once you get one of these up and running, they tend to multiply, and you'll likely end up with a 486DX4-100 system (perfect for a speedy Windows 3.x machine) anyway 😁

Reply 10 of 11, by ElectroSoldier

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Is the Creative Labs 3Dfx Voodoo 2 12MB CT6670 a half length PCI card or is it longer?

fosterwj03 wrote on 2023-08-06, 03:23:
I got Windows 95 running on a Core 2 Duo recently, so your computers aren't too fast. […]
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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-08-05, 22:46:

I think Ill be running Windows 98SE on a GX270.

So you think those two PCs are to powerful for 3.1 and or 95c?

I got Windows 95 running on a Core 2 Duo recently, so your computers aren't too fast.

I've run Windows 3.1 on a Core i7, as well.

The hardest trick to both is finding OS drivers for accelerated graphics, audio, and networking. The processor and memory don't really matter that much for the base OS if you apply the right patches.

Reminds me of some stories in the papers a few years ago about a guy who run his diesel engined car on used cooking oil.

It worked but erm...

Reply 11 of 11, by fosterwj03

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2023-08-06, 11:21:

Reminds me of some stories in the papers a few years ago about a guy who run his diesel engined car on used cooking oil.

It worked but erm...

Actually, it was pretty awesome! I wrote about it in the following post:

Re: Newest CPU and GPU for Windows 95?

I also agree with the previous post, retro computers tend to multiply.