You c a n run a MMX 233 with the same voltage setting and multiplier set to x 1.5 😀
Make sure you have the latest BIOS version (1.2)...

majestyk wrote on 2023-10-29, 11:25:

You c a n run a MMX 233 with the same voltage setting and multiplier set to x 1.5 😀
Make sure you have the latest BIOS version (1.2)...

Very interesting. Damned, it's just 2 days ago when i bought the 200MMX 😁 Any other ideas?

Greetings
JF

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 10:43:

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Hi guys,

as described in my older posts, I am currently working on a Gigabyte GA-586s. My latest configuration includes with an P1-200MMX the fastest CPU according to the official specifications, as well as a SATA controller that increases the R/W speed of the hard drive from the original 8MB/5MB to 40MB/32MB. I don't know why the values aren't much higher, but I think it's fast for such an old system. My next step will be to double the RAM to 128 MB. That seems to be the maximum.

Now the question, what else can i do to get this board faster? I would be happy if you could give me tips on how to push the mainboard to its limits 😁

Have a nice day!
JF

I made a quick search and it seems that the cacheable area is 64MB.
So doubling the RAM to 128MB will make it slower.

CoffeeOne wrote on 2023-10-29, 19:37:

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 10:43:

Hi guys, […]
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Hi guys,

as described in my older posts, I am currently working on a Gigabyte GA-586s. My latest configuration includes with an P1-200MMX the fastest CPU according to the official specifications, as well as a SATA controller that increases the R/W speed of the hard drive from the original 8MB/5MB to 40MB/32MB. I don't know why the values aren't much higher, but I think it's fast for such an old system. My next step will be to double the RAM to 128 MB. That seems to be the maximum.

Now the question, what else can i do to get this board faster? I would be happy if you could give me tips on how to push the mainboard to its limits 😁

Have a nice day!
JF

I made a quick search and it seems that the cacheable area is 64MB.
So doubling the RAM to 128MB will make it slower.

Where do you get this information? In the manual of the mainboard is written it can handle up to 512MB. Don't know how to get this with only four slots 😁

Greetings
JF

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 21:11:

Where do you get this information? In the manual of the mainboard is written it can handle up to 512MB. Don't know how to get th […]
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CoffeeOne wrote on 2023-10-29, 19:37:

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 10:43:

Hi guys, […]
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Hi guys,

as described in my older posts, I am currently working on a Gigabyte GA-586s. My latest configuration includes with an P1-200MMX the fastest CPU according to the official specifications, as well as a SATA controller that increases the R/W speed of the hard drive from the original 8MB/5MB to 40MB/32MB. I don't know why the values aren't much higher, but I think it's fast for such an old system. My next step will be to double the RAM to 128 MB. That seems to be the maximum.

Now the question, what else can i do to get this board faster? I would be happy if you could give me tips on how to push the mainboard to its limits 😁

Have a nice day!
JF

I made a quick search and it seems that the cacheable area is 64MB.
So doubling the RAM to 128MB will make it slower.

Where do you get this information? In the manual of the mainboard is written it can handle up to 512MB. Don't know how to get this with only four slots 😁

Greetings
JF

I used Google.
SIS 5571 cacheable area.
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Socket_5 … herboards#SIS_2

CoffeeOne wrote on 2023-10-29, 21:17:

I used Google. SIS 5571 cacheable area. https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Socket_5 … herboards#SIS_2 […]
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JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 21:11:

Where do you get this information? In the manual of the mainboard is written it can handle up to 512MB. Don't know how to get th […]
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CoffeeOne wrote on 2023-10-29, 19:37:

I made a quick search and it seems that the cacheable area is 64MB.
So doubling the RAM to 128MB will make it slower.

Where do you get this information? In the manual of the mainboard is written it can handle up to 512MB. Don't know how to get this with only four slots 😁

Greetings
JF

I used Google.
SIS 5571 cacheable area.
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Socket_5 … herboards#SIS_2

Hello CoffeeOne,

thanks for the information. I must have overlooked that. Neither the system nor the chipset manual says anything about it. Somewhere I read that the cacheable area generally depends on the size of the cache. With 256KB cache the cacheable area is 64MB and with 512KB it doubles to 128MB. But I am not an expert! My GA-586S lists 512KB at boot-up. I never quite understood how the cachable area thing really works. Can somebody explain it to me for dummies? 😁

Greetings and thanks!
JF

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 23:27:

Hello CoffeeOne, […]
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CoffeeOne wrote on 2023-10-29, 21:17:

I used Google. SIS 5571 cacheable area. https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Socket_5 … herboards#SIS_2 […]
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JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 21:11:

Where do you get this information? In the manual of the mainboard is written it can handle up to 512MB. Don't know how to get this with only four slots 😁

Greetings
JF

I used Google.
SIS 5571 cacheable area.
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Socket_5 … herboards#SIS_2

Hello CoffeeOne,

thanks for the information. I must have overlooked that. Neither the system nor the chipset manual says anything about it. Somewhere I read that the cacheable area generally depends on the size of the cache. With 256KB cache the cacheable area is 64MB and with 512KB it doubles to 128MB. But I am not an expert! My GA-586S lists 512KB at boot-up. I never quite understood how the cachable area thing really works. Can somebody explain it to me for dummies? 😁

Greetings and thanks!
JF

..ok. My last statement is based on a misunderstanding. I read it for write-through cache mode, but the motherboard uses write-back. For WB it halves the cacheable area to 64MB at 512KB. Therefore your information is correct!

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 23:43:

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 23:27:

Hello CoffeeOne, […]
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CoffeeOne wrote on 2023-10-29, 21:17:

I used Google.
SIS 5571 cacheable area.
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Socket_5 … herboards#SIS_2

Hello CoffeeOne,

thanks for the information. I must have overlooked that. Neither the system nor the chipset manual says anything about it. Somewhere I read that the cacheable area generally depends on the size of the cache. With 256KB cache the cacheable area is 64MB and with 512KB it doubles to 128MB. But I am not an expert! My GA-586S lists 512KB at boot-up. I never quite understood how the cachable area thing really works. Can somebody explain it to me for dummies? 😁

Greetings and thanks!
JF

..ok. My last statement is based on a misunderstanding. I read it for write-through cache mode, but the motherboard uses write-back. For WB it halves the cacheable area to 64MB at 512KB. Therefore your information is correct!

Nope.
It depends on the chipset. Some chipsets have a hard limit on the cacheable area no matter how large the L2 cache is or if it is WT or WB.
Very famous is the Intel 430TX chipset. Cacheable area = 64MB.

CoffeeOne wrote on 2023-10-29, 23:52:

Nope. It depends on the chipset. Some chipsets have a hard limit on the cacheable area no matter how large the L2 cache is or if […]
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JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 23:43:

JF_Sebastian wrote on 2023-10-29, 23:27:

Hello CoffeeOne, […]
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Hello CoffeeOne,

thanks for the information. I must have overlooked that. Neither the system nor the chipset manual says anything about it. Somewhere I read that the cacheable area generally depends on the size of the cache. With 256KB cache the cacheable area is 64MB and with 512KB it doubles to 128MB. But I am not an expert! My GA-586S lists 512KB at boot-up. I never quite understood how the cachable area thing really works. Can somebody explain it to me for dummies? 😁

Greetings and thanks!
JF

..ok. My last statement is based on a misunderstanding. I read it for write-through cache mode, but the motherboard uses write-back. For WB it halves the cacheable area to 64MB at 512KB. Therefore your information is correct!

Nope.
It depends on the chipset. Some chipsets have a hard limit on the cacheable area no matter how large the L2 cache is or if it is WT or WB.
Very famous is the Intel 430TX chipset. Cacheable area = 64MB.

Thanks for your explanation. But why do support mainboards more RAM then they can cache? That does not make sense, right? 😁

The RAM exceeding the cacheable area can still be used and it´s of course faster than writing / reading swap-data to / from the harddrive!

If going from 64MB to let´s say 128 MB makes the system faster or slower depends on weather the OS starts using RAM "from the upper end" (-> slower), like Win 95/98, or from the bottom (-> faster), like Linux or Win NT /2K.
The first case means, the OS starts with using non-cached RAM amd that the fastest cached RAM only comes into play, when slower, non-cached RAM is completely used.
Thus it also depends on the applications you run, if they need a lot of RAM or not.