acl wrote on 2023-11-11, 18:08:

Awesome results !
I need to try harder. My scores seems low and I want to find out why.

It should not be all that difficult to beat my results:

What I use is:
1. A custom Windows XP install with a bunch of stuff removed.
2. I tune some of the Nvidia graphics settings to the max, inlcuding LOD (But I did not try all that many settings and only 2-3 different drivers, there might be plenty of room for improvement here).
3. I used a chip that has a low multiplier but overclocks ok = I get higher memory frequency.

What I could use if I had them to get an even better score:
1. A motherboard that supports AGP 8X (mine is only 4X).
2. A faster GPU (+ voltmods & watercooling; I did not bother to do either; I only used water cooling for the CPU).
3. A better CPU with E0 stepping. I have a Willamette Celeron with E0 stepping which overclocks about 200MHz higher than the Pentium 4 I used. See picture below.

What could also be done; Run the individual benchmarks in 3DMark 2001 one at the time until you get the best results in each allowing your computer to cool down in between possibly allowing for higher overclocks. Maybe this can be done in 3DMark 2000 as well(?)

DrSwizz wrote on 2023-11-11, 19:49:

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acl wrote on 2023-11-11, 18:08:

Awesome results !
I need to try harder. My scores seems low and I want to find out why.

It should not be all that difficult to beat my results:

What I use is:
1. A custom Windows XP install with a bunch of stuff removed.
2. I tune some of the Nvidia graphics settings to the max, inlcuding LOD (But I did not try all that many settings and only 2-3 different drivers, there might be plenty of room for improvement here).
3. I used a chip that has a low multiplier but overclocks ok = I get higher memory frequency.

What I could use if I had them to get an even better score:
1. A motherboard that supports AGP 8X (mine is only 4X).
2. A faster GPU (+ voltmods & watercooling; I did not bother to do either; I only used water cooling for the CPU).
3. A better CPU with E0 stepping. I have a Willamette Celeron with E0 stepping which overclocks about 200MHz higher than the Pentium 4 I used. See picture below.

What could also be done; Run the individual benchmarks in 3DMark 2001 one at the time until you get the best results in each allowing your computer to cool down in between possibly allowing for higher overclocks. Maybe this can be done in 3DMark 2000 as well(?)

I'm currently testing another GPU (secret !)
I ran some tests and found that switching to W98 and older drivers instantly increased my score by 1500+ points on 3DMark2000.

W98 seems better supported by the Fuzzy logic OC tool because the system does not instant reboot when setting an FSB value. And I was able to raise the CPU freq by another 50mhz (1700 -> 1950) but 2000 seems unreachable (I can't raise the voltage at all from the bios)

Will update the results if they are better

acl wrote on 2023-11-11, 21:12:

I'm currently testing another GPU (secret !) I ran some tests and found that switching to W98 and older drivers instantly increa […]
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I'm currently testing another GPU (secret !)
I ran some tests and found that switching to W98 and older drivers instantly increased my score by 1500+ points on 3DMark2000.

W98 seems better supported by the Fuzzy logic OC tool because the system does not instant reboot when setting an FSB value. And I was able to raise the CPU freq by another 50mhz (1700 -> 1950) but 2000 seems unreachable (I can't raise the voltage at all from the bios)

Will update the results if they are better

Interesting. I might try Win98 too.

Some years ago I tried to use a Compaq s478 motherboard for overclocking (which did not work well as it became unstable too quickly). I carefully carved out space in the socket to allow me to place tiny wires to change the voltage detection for the CPU. You could try to do that on your motherboard too.

The Hd 3850 AGP enters the ring. I think this Shuttle SS51G has about had it. Ill have to wait till I get some packages in the mail till I can continue on. Standard Def Steve, Im not sorry.

I'm currently trying to run benches with the P4 423 2000, I have some files that are wrong, I need to try downloading them again, and try the installation again.
The PC is this:
Gigabyte GA-8TX 423, Pentium 4 423 2000, TNT2 M64 32 MB, 1 GB RDRAM, integrated audio, HD 20 GB, and Windows XP SP2 IT. The LAN is missing, but a PCI card can be added in one of the five free slots.
Here are some pictures of the interior:

I hope to post the benches soon

Ok,
Could not push it as far as i expected :

• Socket 423 P4 Willamette 1.7Ghz @1887 (17 x 111fsb)
• MSI 850Pro2
• 2x 256MB RDRAM 1066 (Running as 800 because of the motherboard)
• nVidia Quadro4 980XGL (Appearing as Ti4800 using RivaTuner) - Stock frequencies (because 330/750 OC does not improve the score)

I had to lower a bit the fsb because the high AGP frequency caused freezes and crashes.

I tweaked some driver settings in the nvidia panel (image quality). Not sure if it's legal. So @supercordo, feel free to discard it if not legit.

Edit : Added picts

acl wrote on 2023-11-12, 10:29:

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Ok,
Could not push it as far as i expected :

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• Socket 423 P4 Willamette 1.7Ghz @1887 (17 x 111fsb)
• MSI 850Pro2
• 2x 256MB RDRAM 1066 (Running as 800 because of the motherboard)
• nVidia Quadro4 980XGL (Appearing as Ti4800 using RivaTuner) - Stock frequencies (because 330/750 OC does not improve the score)

I had to lower a bit the fsb because the high AGP frequency caused freezes and crashes.

I tweaked some driver settings in the nvidia panel (image quality). Not sure if it's legal. So @supercordo, feel free to discard it if not legit.

Edit : Added picts
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Driver tweaks are encouraged!!

Pretty disappointed by the performance of this P4VM890 board. I don’t think the addition of PCIe can make up for the lacklustre chipset performance vs the Intel options.

The CPU clocks well on this board, or at least it does now I’ve VID pin modded it (no vcore adjustment on the board/BIOS), or at least it does for Win98, XP seems to crap out a lot earlier FSB wise. Had the CPU up to 19x118 stably so far, but XP won’t boot past 19x111.

I do wonder if BSEL modding to the 133 strap would help.

The VID mod got me to 1.9~v core voltage.

paradigital wrote on 2023-11-12, 16:10:

Pretty disappointed by the performance of this P4VM890 board. I don’t think the addition of PCIe can make up for the lacklustre […]
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Pretty disappointed by the performance of this P4VM890 board. I don’t think the addition of PCIe can make up for the lacklustre chipset performance vs the Intel options.

The CPU clocks well on this board, or at least it does now I’ve VID pin modded it (no vcore adjustment on the board/BIOS), or at least it does for Win98, XP seems to crap out a lot earlier FSB wise. Had the CPU up to 19x118 stably so far, but XP won’t boot past 19x111.

I do wonder if BSEL modding to the 133 strap would help.

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The VID mod got me to 1.9~v core voltage.

I might have to try that on the Shuttle.

BitWrangler wrote on 2023-11-05, 02:57:

Willamette cores went from 1.5 to 2.0 on 478 also so was 1.5 too fast for you that you wanted a 1.3 in there or what? 🤣

Willamette S478 engineering samples are @ 1.3GHz and usual S478 ones started from 1.4GHz.

I have these Willamettes, missing speedier ones.
Intel Pentium 4 1300 (SL4SF) Socket423
Intel Pentium 4 1400 (SL4WS) Socket423
Intel Pentium 4 1500 (SL4TY) Socket423
Intel Pentium 4 1700 (SL57V) Socket423

Intel Pentium 4 1.4 (SL59U) Socket478
Intel Pentium 4 1.5 (SL5TJ) Socket478
Intel Pentium 4 1.5 (SL5N8) Socket478
Intel Pentium 4 1.6 (SL5VH) Socket478
Intel Pentium 4 1.7 (SL5TK) Socket478

Well i did the VID pin mod on the Shuttle. That got me 1.808v vs 1.712v before. Was able to get an extra 142MHz out of the CPU at 117FSB. Wasn't able to get the top score but I'm satisfied with it considering its a Shuttle SS51G with a SIS chipset. I have an Asus P4P800 Deluxe on the way. Ill see what that can get me with some proper voltage adjustments and AGP 8X. I also have a DFI LanParty PRO 875, but it doesn't support the Willamette core. 🙁

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-14, 03:50:

Well i did the VID pin mod on the Shuttle. That got me 1.808v vs 1.712v before. Was able to get an extra 142MHz out of the CPU at 117FSB. Wasn't able to get the top score but I'm satisfied with it considering its a Shuttle SS51G with a SIS chipset. I have an Asus P4P800 Deluxe on the way. Ill see what that can get me with some proper voltage adjustments and AGP 8X. I also have a DFI LanParty PRO 875, but it doesn't support the Willamette core. 🙁

Nice score, you are catching up. 😀
Perhaps it would be possible to add microcode for Willamette to the BIOS for you DFI motherboard?

DrSwizz wrote on 2023-11-14, 12:36:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-14, 03:50:

Well i did the VID pin mod on the Shuttle. That got me 1.808v vs 1.712v before. Was able to get an extra 142MHz out of the CPU at 117FSB. Wasn't able to get the top score but I'm satisfied with it considering its a Shuttle SS51G with a SIS chipset. I have an Asus P4P800 Deluxe on the way. Ill see what that can get me with some proper voltage adjustments and AGP 8X. I also have a DFI LanParty PRO 875, but it doesn't support the Willamette core. 🙁

Nice score, you are catching up. 😀
Perhaps it would be possible to add microcode for Willamette to the BIOS for you DFI motherboard?

I wouldn't know where to start to add the microcode.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-14, 13:18:

DrSwizz wrote on 2023-11-14, 12:36:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-14, 03:50:

Well i did the VID pin mod on the Shuttle. That got me 1.808v vs 1.712v before. Was able to get an extra 142MHz out of the CPU at 117FSB. Wasn't able to get the top score but I'm satisfied with it considering its a Shuttle SS51G with a SIS chipset. I have an Asus P4P800 Deluxe on the way. Ill see what that can get me with some proper voltage adjustments and AGP 8X. I also have a DFI LanParty PRO 875, but it doesn't support the Willamette core. 🙁

Nice score, you are catching up. 😀
Perhaps it would be possible to add microcode for Willamette to the BIOS for you DFI motherboard?

I wouldn't know where to start to add the microcode.

If it’s an Award BIOS, try “BIOS Patcher” from rom.by

paradigital wrote on 2023-11-14, 15:35:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-14, 13:18:

DrSwizz wrote on 2023-11-14, 12:36:

Nice score, you are catching up. 😀
Perhaps it would be possible to add microcode for Willamette to the BIOS for you DFI motherboard?

I wouldn't know where to start to add the microcode.

If it’s an Award BIOS, try “BIOS Patcher” from rom.by

I did try BIOS Patcher. It didnt find anything to update.

Unimpressive result ...

My Quadro FX1100 was somewhat faster (I started with a Northwood 2.8/533 to install and get a baseline) but system crashed, and haven't been able to boot with that card again.

Trying some OC of the Willamette, but seems 1.9 is the limit for that one. May try a 1.8 from the stack, but they're all C0 stepping unfortunately.

I was also out of actual s478 heatsinks, so right now, I'm using the retention mechanism called "gravity" which might not put adequate pressure on ... 🤣

Anyways, here are first shot - everything is standard 😉

Pretty cool to browse VOGONS on such an old system - unfortunately I can't remember my password, so not logged in from there 😉

ASUS P4P800 SE, 1GiB of DDR in DUAL-channel config. Palit Daytona GF4 Ti4200 - all at stock speeds

Oops, I named the files "18" indicating a 1.8 GHz ... Apparently I forgot I used a 1.6 🤣

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-14, 19:51:

Oops, I named the files "18" indicating a 1.8 GHz ... Apparently I forgot I used a 1.6 🤣

Its all good!

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-14, 19:42:

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Unimpressive result ...

My Quadro FX1100 was somewhat faster (I started with a Northwood 2.8/533 to install and get a baseline) but system crashed, and haven't been able to boot with that card again.

Trying some OC of the Willamette, but seems 1.9 is the limit for that one. May try a 1.8 from the stack, but they're all C0 stepping unfortunately.

I was also out of actual s478 heatsinks, so right now, I'm using the retention mechanism called "gravity" which might not put adequate pressure on ... 🤣

Anyways, here are first shot - everything is standard 😉

Pretty cool to browse VOGONS on such an old system - unfortunately I can't remember my password, so not logged in from there 😉

ASUS P4P800 SE, 1GiB of DDR in DUAL-channel config. Palit Daytona GF4 Ti4200 - all at stock speeds

You should test with some older drivers. You'll probably get a bump in score.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-14, 20:00:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-14, 19:42:

Unimpressive result ... […]
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Unimpressive result ...

My Quadro FX1100 was somewhat faster (I started with a Northwood 2.8/533 to install and get a baseline) but system crashed, and haven't been able to boot with that card again.

Trying some OC of the Willamette, but seems 1.9 is the limit for that one. May try a 1.8 from the stack, but they're all C0 stepping unfortunately.

I was also out of actual s478 heatsinks, so right now, I'm using the retention mechanism called "gravity" which might not put adequate pressure on ... 🤣

Anyways, here are first shot - everything is standard 😉

Pretty cool to browse VOGONS on such an old system - unfortunately I can't remember my password, so not logged in from there 😉

ASUS P4P800 SE, 1GiB of DDR in DUAL-channel config. Palit Daytona GF4 Ti4200 - all at stock speeds

You should test with some older drivers. You'll probably get a bump in score.

Found some XP drivers. Not sure about the version now, but figured they'd be old enough 🤣 can't quite get the hang of how old it makes sense, or some good source to use for information?

[Edit] the link you posted earlier on is pretty clear about that. Thanks, I'll investigate further 😀