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First post, by Sphere478

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What’s a cool build combo, or hardware hack, or software shoehorn that we haven’t done?

We’ve had windows 7 on socket 7
Dual socket 8 on a dual slot board
M.2 in a socket 7 on sata and pci
Unlocked gpus, cpus,
Etc…

What’s remaining?

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 1 of 164, by Sphere478

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Here’s my list I would like to see the community achieve

Diy socket 7 motherboard

Fpga cpu replacements with modern instruction sets

More diy video cards (already several)
An ISA one with DVI would be amazing perhaps gd5434 4mb based?

Last edited by Sphere478 on 2024-02-04, 03:10. Edited 1 time in total.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 2 of 164, by Horun

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I have a stack of parts that need re-capping, keep putting off due to lack of time, that is what not has been done 🤣
Yes your video card idea is a good one !

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Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun

Reply 3 of 164, by Sphere478

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Horun wrote on 2024-02-04, 03:09:

I have a stack of parts that need re-capping, keep putting off due to lack of time, that is what not has been done 🤣

Lol not what I meant 🤣

Cool stuff that hasn’t been done yet. (With retro hardware/software)

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Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 4 of 164, by leileilol

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TinyGL as a MiniGL
NT drivers for PowerVR1/2 cards
CQM emulation
Voodoo1/2 drivers that support 320x200/240/400x300 via pixel doubled buffer writes to 640x400/480/800x600
Automatic on-demand Plus! desktop theme parsing/adapting/loading for <insert Linux DE here>
SDL2 for Win9x
Bilinear filter texture shaders to mimic (and preserve) the behavior of various 3d hardware (i.e. Geforce256, PowerVR, SiS)
3D hardware software emulation through a device driver

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Reply 5 of 164, by Sphere478

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leileilol wrote on 2024-02-04, 03:33:
TinyGL as a MiniGL NT drivers for PowerVR1/2 cards CQM emulation Voodoo1/2 drivers that support 320x200/240/400x300 via pixel do […]
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TinyGL as a MiniGL
NT drivers for PowerVR1/2 cards
CQM emulation
Voodoo1/2 drivers that support 320x200/240/400x300 via pixel doubled buffer writes to 640x400/480/800x600
Automatic on-demand Plus! desktop theme parsing/adapting/loading for <insert Linux DE here>
SDL2 for Win9x
Bilinear filter texture shaders to mimic (and preserve) the behavior of various 3d hardware (i.e. Geforce256, PowerVR, SiS)
3D hardware software emulation through a device driver

Can AI help with any of this?

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 8 of 164, by Vlad94

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Sphere478 wrote on 2024-02-04, 02:57:
Here’s my list I would like to see the community achieve […]
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Here’s my list I would like to see the community achieve

Diy socket 7 motherboard

Fpga cpu replacements with modern instruction sets

More diy video cards (already several)
An ISA one with DVI would be amazing perhaps gd5434 4mb based?

Custom socket 775 board with i850 chipset, that chipset unofficially supports SMP so even Core 2 Quad would be possible, albeit at lower FSB, but we have unlocked CPUs called Extreme Edition.
C2Q (or at least C2D) and RDRAM, it would be not bottlenecked by slow Pentium 4 CPU's anymore! RDRAM power! 😁

But ikr, socket 775 board is too complex to be build from scratch.

Reply 9 of 164, by Dothan Burger

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What about an ISA sound card like the Pico Gus that just plugs into a TPM header.

Why can't we adapt Socket 479 Pentium Ms and Socket M core 2 Duos to 479 Boards. Like the CT-479 but more universal.

Reply 10 of 164, by PcBytes

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Let me bring a interesting one: Socket 495 on a Slot 1 cartridge.

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Reply 11 of 164, by kolderman

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Make a new batch of 4:3 LCDs that have native support for odd resolutions from the early days (rectangle pixels), multiple VGA and DVI input ports with front panel button switching, and with IPS panels.

Reply 13 of 164, by Joseph_Joestar

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kolderman wrote on 2024-02-04, 08:13:

Make a new batch of 4:3 LCDs that have native support for odd resolutions from the early days (rectangle pixels), multiple VGA and DVI input ports with front panel button switching, and with IPS panels.

Add hardware support for integer scaling of lower resolutions to that, and it would sell like hotcakes amongst the retro crowd.

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PC#3: Athlon64 3400+ / Asus K8V-MX / 5900XT / Audigy2
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 14 of 164, by rasz_pl

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>What’s a cool build combo, or hardware hack

Learn rp2040 PIO assembly (advanced material once you grasp basics https://www.slador.uk/raspberry-pi-pico https://www.youtube.com/@SladorSoft/videos) and tackle Parallel ATA IDE emulation Gotek like Optical Driver Emulator - Is it possible?
PicoGUS has shown that its perfectly doable. Someone just has to sit down and bang the first proof of concept code out to get the ball rolling.

leileilol wrote on 2024-02-04, 03:33:

3D hardware software emulation through a device driver

Somewhere in that region: SoftGPU: SW and HW accelerated driver for Windows 9x Virtual Machines https://github.com/JHRobotics/softgpu

kolderman wrote on 2024-02-04, 08:13:

Make a new batch of 4:3 LCDs that have native support for odd resolutions from the early days (rectangle pixels), multiple VGA and DVI input ports with front panel button switching, and with IPS panels.

https://www.checkmate1500plus.com

Open Source AT&T Globalyst/NCR/FIC 486-GAC-2 proprietary Cache Module reproduction

Reply 15 of 164, by dionb

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Sphere478 wrote on 2024-02-04, 03:47:

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Can AI help with any of this?

I asked ChatGPT. This is what it said:

Yes, AI can potentially assist with many aspects of these tasks. Here's a breakdown: […]
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Yes, AI can potentially assist with many aspects of these tasks. Here's a breakdown:

TinyGL as a MiniGL: AI could assist in optimizing and refining the implementation of TinyGL as a MiniGL by providing insights into efficient algorithms and data structures tailored for OpenGL compatibility on constrained platforms.

NT drivers for PowerVR1/2 cards: AI can help in driver development by analyzing existing drivers, providing suggestions for optimization, and assisting in debugging through techniques such as automated code analysis and anomaly detection.

CQM emulation: AI can assist in accurately emulating Color Quad Machine (CQM) by studying its architecture, behavior, and documentation, and then implementing algorithms to emulate its functionalities efficiently.

Voodoo1/2 drivers with specific resolution support: AI can help in developing drivers for Voodoo1/2 cards with support for specific resolutions by providing insights into graphics programming techniques and optimization strategies for legacy hardware.

Automatic Plus! desktop theme parsing/adapting/loading for Linux DE: AI can be utilized for parsing, adapting, and loading Plus! desktop themes by developing algorithms that analyze theme components and adapt them to different Linux desktop environments.

SDL2 for Win9x: AI can assist in porting SDL2 to Windows 9x by analyzing the SDL2 codebase, identifying compatibility issues, and providing suggestions for modification to ensure seamless integration with the legacy operating system.

Bilinear filter texture shaders for various 3D hardware: AI can help in developing shaders to mimic and preserve the behavior of various 3D hardware by studying their specifications and characteristics and then implementing shaders that replicate their rendering effects accurately.

3D hardware software emulation through a device driver: AI can assist in developing device drivers for software emulation of 3D hardware by providing insights into low-level programming, hardware emulation techniques, and optimization strategies for performance-critical code paths.

In all these cases, AI can serve as a powerful tool to augment human efforts, providing insights, suggestions, and automation to streamline the development process and improve the efficiency and effectiveness of the resulting solutions.

Uhuh. Good luck with that Color Quad Machine 😜

Reply 16 of 164, by fosterwj03

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Dothan Burger wrote on 2024-02-04, 05:30:

What about an ISA sound card like the Pico Gus that just plugs into a TPM header.

Why can't we adapt Socket 479 Pentium Ms and Socket M core 2 Duos to 479 Boards. Like the CT-479 but more universal.

That's a brilliant idea! You could slot it into a PCI slot or PCIE slot for power and use a ribbon cable to get the ISA signals. A card design could host any number of ISA sound blaster compatible chipsets.

Reply 17 of 164, by Joseph_Joestar

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fosterwj03 wrote on 2024-02-04, 14:23:
Dothan Burger wrote on 2024-02-04, 05:30:

What about an ISA sound card like the Pico Gus that just plugs into a TPM header.

Why can't we adapt Socket 479 Pentium Ms and Socket M core 2 Duos to 479 Boards. Like the CT-479 but more universal.

That's a brilliant idea! You could slot it into a PCI slot or PCIE slot for power and use a ribbon cable to get the ISA signals. A card design could host any number of ISA sound blaster compatible chipsets.

Isn't that already available? dISAppointment - LPC to ISA adapter - ISA on modern motherboards

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Athlon64 3400+ / Asus K8V-MX / 5900XT / Audigy2
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 18 of 164, by Cyberdyne

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Windows XP and Windows 7 drivers for newer stuff. There are nice small low prize, integrated, low power and performance computers that can barely crawl with Windows 10/11 but would fly with XP/7 and older games. But no drivers for video/audio.

I am aroused about any X86 motherboard that has full functional ISA slot. I think i have problem. Not really into that original (Turbo) XT,286,386 and CGA/EGA stuff. So just a DOS nut.
PS. If I upload RAR, it is a 16-bit DOS RAR Version 2.50.

Reply 19 of 164, by fosterwj03

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2024-02-04, 14:32:
fosterwj03 wrote on 2024-02-04, 14:23:
Dothan Burger wrote on 2024-02-04, 05:30:

What about an ISA sound card like the Pico Gus that just plugs into a TPM header.

Why can't we adapt Socket 479 Pentium Ms and Socket M core 2 Duos to 479 Boards. Like the CT-479 but more universal.

That's a brilliant idea! You could slot it into a PCI slot or PCIE slot for power and use a ribbon cable to get the ISA signals. A card design could host any number of ISA sound blaster compatible chipsets.

Isn't that already available? dISAppointment - LPC to ISA adapter - ISA on modern motherboards

Not really. That's an ISA extension riser. Not something that slots directly into an existing motherboard slot.