VOGONS


First post, by PlaneVuki

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Hi.

I have been thinking about this for a few days.
I was trying to group retro mainstream x86 intel cpus (and close clones), by generations.

My current thinking is this:
Generation1 (16bit): 8086, 80186, 286
Generation2 (early 32bit): 386, 486, p1
Generation3 (p6 architecture): ppro, p2, p3
{and if you like, Generation4 (netburst): p4}

Note1: some don't consider p4 as retro, some do, I understand, but thats not the topic.
Note2: variations are not considered here, like variations in bus size, sx/dx stuff, celeron/xeon stuff, etc..
Note3: p1 includes regular and mmx.

My main question is:
A) Do you think that p1 belongs to gen2 due to being developed from 486, essentially 486dx & 486sx side-by-side with some other improvements?
or
B) Do you think that p1 differes from 486 so much, architecture-wise, that it should be a separate gen between gen2 and gen3?

Please explain your choice.

I think p1 belongs to gen2, making it an upper-middle-class retro cpu. And 486 a middle-middle-class retro cpu.

Last edited by PlaneVuki on 2024-02-12, 10:26. Edited 4 times in total.

Reply 1 of 5, by Baoran

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I personally think first generation is just 8086, 8088, V20... with 8 bit isa slots and second generation is 286, 386, 486 and 3rd generation starts when things got more complex and branch prediction and all that came to cpus.

Reply 2 of 5, by Horun

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Hmm I consider a P4 as vintage (or retro if you want), even soc 775 now that it is 20 years old (from first release).

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun

Reply 4 of 5, by keenmaster486

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Architecturally, you have:

8088/8086
80286
80386
80486
Pentium/PMMX
PPro/PII/PIII
P4
Core series

Those are the major architectural steps Intel took, except P4 was more of a stumble than a step.

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Reply 5 of 5, by Cyberdyne

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Speed wise:
8088/8086
V20/V30/286/386
486
Pentium/MMX
Ppro/P2/3
P4 just no.

Architecture wise:
8088/8086/V20/V30
Braindead 286
Start of modern era 386/486
Fast math Pentium/Pmmx
Specializing in 32bit Ppro/P2/3
Let's see how fast a braindead can go P4

I am aroused about any X86 motherboard that has full functional ISA slot. I think i have problem. Not really into that original (Turbo) XT,286,386 and CGA/EGA stuff. So just a DOS nut.
PS. If I upload RAR, it is a 16-bit DOS RAR Version 2.50.