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First post, by jesusabc

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Hi

I wanna Build a itx mini case with a Epia 5000 I have just purchased

I want to use a super compact itx case and a SD TO IDE adapter, so I need an external PSU

LIKE:
https://www.dynos.es/mini-caja-ordenador-phoe … c__DY0000004187

I have never used one...could you help me recommending me one?

In the future, the most I would use may be an internal HDD or a DVD with a "bigger" case but also using that mini PSU...

Ideas?

Thanks!!!!!

Reply 1 of 19, by kingcake

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Does that board use the proprietary front USB header the other EPIA boards use? If so I made an open source clone of VIA's USB board.

https://github.com/chadr/VIA-EPIA-USB-CV1-Clone/

I can send you one if you need it.

Reply 2 of 19, by jesusabc

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Dont know that...

According to its manual, find attached the info about USB front ports... I am not going to use them anyway....

Any suggestion for the pico PSU?

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Reply 3 of 19, by StriderTR

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The EPIA-5000 is very similar to the EPIA-800, a board I recently used to build a compact Windows 95/DOS gaming PC. While I can't speak to the performance differences between the 2 boards since I don't own a 5000, everything else should be similar. For my build, I wanted to use all on-board resources, no expansion cards, hence why I stuck with Windows 95/DOS, better overall performance with games from that era on the integrated CyberBlade GPU.

Here are the links to my post here on Vogons about the build, as well as my build log over on my retro blog. Just so you can see how I did my build, and maybe it would be of some help to you. 😀

Mini-ITX Windows 95/DOS Build With The EPIA-800
https://theclassicgeek.blogspot.com/2023/03/m … -with-epia.html

To power my build, I used a Pico PSU I found on Amazon (seen below), and a standard power brick with more than enough power to feed the PSU. Specifically, these two...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005TWE5E6?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MXXXBV8?

I hope that helps. 😀

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Reply 4 of 19, by kingcake

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jesusabc wrote on 2024-02-28, 20:01:

Dont know that...

According to its manual, find attached the info about USB front ports... I am not going to use them anyway....

Any suggestion for the pico PSU?

Yes, it clearly says those are the non-standard ports...

Hit me up if you ever decide to use them. You'll need a USB-CV1 board or my clone.

Reply 6 of 19, by StriderTR

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jesusabc wrote on 2024-02-29, 00:36:

Regarding the PSU board connector... the picoPSU I should adquire... should be 20-pin or 24-pin is also valid???

Electrically, you can use a 24-pin on 20-pin board, hence why many ATX power supplies are 20+4 pin, no problem.

With a pico PSU, you can use of 24-pin on a 20-pin board, BUT they are not 20+4, they are a fixed 20 or 24.

So, IF there is room for the extra 4 pins outside the socket, they will work, but most boards you would use a pico PSU on don't have enough room around the socket for the extra fixed 4 pins of a 24-pin PSU. So, you're better off getting a 20-pin, or using a 24 to 20-pin "adapter" like the one below if you can't find a 20-pin PSU.

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-6in-Mothe … 0002GRQRW/?th=1

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Reply 7 of 19, by jesusabc

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Mobo received and functional!!!!!

Now the case!!!

I would like a small case with IDE DVD support... And use an SD TO IDE card for HDD...

Suggestions? Cheap ones if possible, my idea is to put a LCD flatron 15'' inch monitor over It.

Reply 8 of 19, by jesusabc

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kingcake wrote on 2024-02-28, 22:37:
jesusabc wrote on 2024-02-28, 20:01:

Dont know that...

According to its manual, find attached the info about USB front ports... I am not going to use them anyway....

Any suggestion for the pico PSU?

Yes, it clearly says those are the non-standard ports...

Hit me up if you ever decide to use them. You'll need a USB-CV1 board or my clone.

Do yo sell It? I have really no idea to Build It 🙁((

Reply 9 of 19, by kingcake

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jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-03, 08:02:
kingcake wrote on 2024-02-28, 22:37:
jesusabc wrote on 2024-02-28, 20:01:

Dont know that...

According to its manual, find attached the info about USB front ports... I am not going to use them anyway....

Any suggestion for the pico PSU?

Yes, it clearly says those are the non-standard ports...

Hit me up if you ever decide to use them. You'll need a USB-CV1 board or my clone.

Do yo sell It? I have really no idea to Build It 🙁((

nah I send them out to vogons members for good will, I just ask you cover shipping.

Reply 10 of 19, by jesusabc

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kingcake wrote on 2024-03-03, 10:03:
jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-03, 08:02:
kingcake wrote on 2024-02-28, 22:37:

Yes, it clearly says those are the non-standard ports...

Hit me up if you ever decide to use them. You'll need a USB-CV1 board or my clone.

Do yo sell It? I have really no idea to Build It 🙁((

nah I send them out to vogons members for good will, I just ask you cover shipping.

And how do I contact u? I am newbie and can't send PM... I am from Spain

Reply 11 of 19, by jesusabc

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kingcake wrote on 2024-03-03, 10:03:
jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-03, 08:02:
kingcake wrote on 2024-02-28, 22:37:

Yes, it clearly says those are the non-standard ports...

Hit me up if you ever decide to use them. You'll need a USB-CV1 board or my clone.

Do yo sell It? I have really no idea to Build It 🙁((

nah I send them out to vogons members for good will, I just ask you cover shipping.

Any way to contact you to ask for 1/2 of these "adaptors"?

Reply 12 of 19, by kingcake

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jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-05, 18:10:
kingcake wrote on 2024-03-03, 10:03:
jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-03, 08:02:

Do yo sell It? I have really no idea to Build It 🙁((

nah I send them out to vogons members for good will, I just ask you cover shipping.

Any way to contact you to ask for 1/2 of these "adaptors"?

Hi, I've been a member for a long time so I forget how the PM rules work.

But I recently sent one to a Vogons member in the UK and it was slightly over $20 USD to ship the tiny board. I'm not sure if that's going to be worth it to you. You could probably build 5-10 for that price.

Reply 13 of 19, by jesusabc

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I Will Build the System this week, if I finally need these USBs I Will contact you...i do not know anything about soldering or microcomponents...so...

Another question, the PSU i Will finally get IS a 24pin 160W pico PSU, converted to 20pin with that adaptor from Amazon.

The external charger i think is 12v 5a, so max 60watts

IS that ok for only connecting a SD TO IDE reader and the keyb/mouse combo?

The reccomendation for vía Epia during its time was Max 90w...no prob if the PSU IS bigger?

Thanks again

Reply 14 of 19, by StriderTR

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jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-06, 21:45:
I Will Build the System this week, if I finally need these USBs I Will contact you...i do not know anything about soldering or m […]
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I Will Build the System this week, if I finally need these USBs I Will contact you...i do not know anything about soldering or microcomponents...so...

Another question, the PSU i Will finally get IS a 24pin 160W pico PSU, converted to 20pin with that adaptor from Amazon.

The external charger i think is 12v 5a, so max 60watts

IS that ok for only connecting a SD TO IDE reader and the keyb/mouse combo?

The reccomendation for vía Epia during its time was Max 90w...no prob if the PSU IS bigger?

Thanks again

I can't speak directly to how the 5000's power draw, but when I built my EPIA-800 based system, I was getting the following numbers from the wall...

* Max Load Watts: 51W
* Average Gaming Load Watts: 46W to 48W
* Average Idle Watts: 5W
* Power Off: 1.5W

That's with an SD to IDE, keyboard, mouse, and NO expansion cards.

The EDEN CPU on the 5000 uses less power than the C3 on the 800, beyond that your power needs will come down to what you plug into your board. If you add expansion cards or other peripherals, the power draw also goes up.

A 160W Pico is WAY more than enough, just make sure your power brick can feed whatever you buy.

Personally, I always suggest going bigger, but you can easily get an 80W Pico and still have a LOT of headroom. My build uses a 120W power brick even though the Pico is only 80W. More than enough power to run my build, and I'm not worried about stressing anything (since most of the power bricks on Amazon are non-UL listed devices from China and quality can vary widely). I would do the same for your build, 80W Pico + a quality brick that can deliver more than the Pico will need.

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Reply 15 of 19, by kingcake

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StriderTR wrote on 2024-03-10, 17:47:
I can't speak directly to how the 5000's power draw, but when I built my EPIA-800 based system, I was getting the following numb […]
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jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-06, 21:45:
I Will Build the System this week, if I finally need these USBs I Will contact you...i do not know anything about soldering or m […]
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I Will Build the System this week, if I finally need these USBs I Will contact you...i do not know anything about soldering or microcomponents...so...

Another question, the PSU i Will finally get IS a 24pin 160W pico PSU, converted to 20pin with that adaptor from Amazon.

The external charger i think is 12v 5a, so max 60watts

IS that ok for only connecting a SD TO IDE reader and the keyb/mouse combo?

The reccomendation for vía Epia during its time was Max 90w...no prob if the PSU IS bigger?

Thanks again

I can't speak directly to how the 5000's power draw, but when I built my EPIA-800 based system, I was getting the following numbers from the wall...

* Max Load Watts: 51W
* Average Gaming Load Watts: 46W to 48W
* Average Idle Watts: 45W
* Power Off: 1.5W

That's with an SD to IDE, keyboard, mouse, and NO expansion cards.

The EDEN CPU on the 5000 uses less power than the C3 on the 800, beyond that your power needs will come down to what you plug into your board. If you add expansion cards or other peripherals, the power draw also goes up.

The 160W Pico is more than enough, just make sure your power brick can feed it. Personally, I always suggest going bigger. That's why on my build I use a 120W power brick. More than enough power to run my build, and I'm not worried about stressing anything. I would do the same for your build.

That's quite a bit of power for an EPIA 800 series system! Mine pull significantly less than that. Were you using a PCI GPU?

Reply 16 of 19, by StriderTR

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kingcake wrote on 2024-03-10, 23:56:

That's quite a bit of power for an EPIA 800 series system! Mine pull significantly less than that. Were you using a PCI GPU?

Nope, no PCI cards at all.

Though I did notice TWO errors that make it all confusing.

Typo: "Average Idle Watts: 45W" is supposed to read "Average Idle Watts: 5W".

Also, my Pico is 80W, NOT 160....not sure why I didn't mention or notice that at the time. 160W is definitely overkill. That's what I get for posting in a hurry. =(

Fixed my post. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. 😀

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Reply 17 of 19, by jesusabc

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Mobo installed!!!!

Next problem: no enough room...

As you can check in the attached photo, the 24pin to 24pin adaptor (the mobo is 20pin and the PSU I have is 24) fills too much space in the case... and the PSU can touch some components and I think it is not convenient... (Another solution is "enveloping" the PSU into the IDE cable... but... I think it is not a good idea...)

Can I "avoid" using the adaptor and connect DIRECTLY the PSU (24 pin) into the VIA EPIA 5000 mobo (20pin)?

I made a circle indicating I have at least more room for the 4 extra-pin the PSU has...

Or is it damaging for the mobo not using the adaptor????? I have only 1 mobo, and I can take no risks as you probably think...

Thanks u all for the support!!!!

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Reply 18 of 19, by jesusabc

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jesusabc wrote on 2024-03-12, 07:34:
Mobo installed!!!! […]
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Mobo installed!!!!

Next problem: no enough room...

As you can check in the attached photo, the 24pin to 24pin adaptor (the mobo is 20pin and the PSU I have is 24) fills too much space in the case... and the PSU can touch some components and I think it is not convenient... (Another solution is "enveloping" the PSU into the IDE cable... but... I think it is not a good idea...)

Can I "avoid" using the adaptor and connect DIRECTLY the PSU (24 pin) into the VIA EPIA 5000 mobo (20pin)?

I made a circle indicating I have at least more room for the 4 extra-pin the PSU has...

Or is it damaging for the mobo not using the adaptor????? I have only 1 mobo, and I can take no risks as you probably think...

Thanks u all for the support!!!!

All SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The PSU functional!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, LAST thing... monitor...

For space motives, I can't use a CRT...so ....2 options:

AOC 24G2U 1080p through VGA (16:9, but forced to 4:3) or LG FLATRON 1515s 15"

Any advices?