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My struggles building a 486 rig.

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First post, by RagingSquirrel

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Its gonna be a long post, so my question is gonna be in the last paragraph...

I wanted to build a 486 rig.. i had a great deal on a Tm-486sps motherboard.. with 16 mb edo ram. Neighter i or the person who sold me know that its not compatible with edo ram.. only with FPM. Also i was stupid enough to try to take out the cache chips to debug the system.. i was alos stupid enough to put back the tag ram in the wrong way.. hence i burd down the chip, but even than if i disabled the external cache the system seemd to work.. Meanwhile someone here told me to order FPM ram and with that it should work. so thats what i did.. I also got new cache chips to try if it work with that.

I thaught i was lucki.. because the system booted perfectly with the new rams and when the cache chips arrived it got recognised by the board, so everything seemd fine.. till the next day when the mouse stopped worknig. Which i thaugt that the mouse itself is broke, so i ordered a new one.. only when it arrived i realised that its not the mouse.. its the motherboards port is faulty.. I have 2 cable fro the com ports.. i tested with both but neighter worked, so my conclusion was that it must been the board itself.

So i orderted an other motherboard.. Which as i installed in the system, id did not recognised the cache chips.. it only booted when the external cache was disble.. I am talking about an other mobo with other cache chips not with the previous ones.. It was a Lucy star Ls-486 rev c2 (unfortunately i couldnt test with the previous cache chips because i gave them bac to the guy whoom i broughted from).. also the motherboard didnt recognised any ide cd rom drives.. i have 4 of them and tryed all but none of them got recognised by the system.. only the hard drives.. So gave it back to the seller, for a refound.. Later on he told me that he tested, and didnt had the error with the cache chips (which is really wierd, why it only happeds with me ), but he also couldnt make the cd roms work..

So i brought an other motherboard, a KM-S4-1.. When i installed, it recognised tha cache chips, but did not recognised any cd rom drives.. also the com ports didnt worked....
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i realised, that the bios chip looked almost identical on this one and on the firs motherboard that i brought the Tm-486sps.. so i swapped them.. suprisingly it worked so now it recognise the cd rom drive.. and the cache chips, but still the com ports are not working.. So i am thinking to go in the other way and instead og buying a fourt motherboard, i just gonna buy a com port extention card..

I brought a https://www.ebay.com/itm/175250303600?mkcid=1 … emis&media=COPY card which seems quite new to me.. so i am not sure if it has a dos or win 3.11/ or win 95 driver.. so i wonder if anybody here could tell me if its gonna work in my system? Or maybe has a driver for it? I also might could get a card like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/125342592133?mkcid=1 … emis&media=COPY
Since this is a isa card, i hink it might fitt better with my rig, and might could work in dos , but i stil couldnt find a driver for it.. Also the seller who has the card told me that the last time he used it wan 27 years ago.. and wasnt be able to test it ever since, so it might not work . But anyway thats where i am at now.. i only would need to make the com port working and than i would get a nice system..

Reply 1 of 39, by dominusprog

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Yes, these EEPROMs can be identical, but what matters is the ROM itself. So my suggestion to you is to find a different version on the retroweb and flash the BIOS.

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Reply 2 of 39, by RagingSquirrel

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Well.. it is working with the other chip fine.. only wierd thing is that at the boot it says that it is the Tm-486sps motherboard while it is a KM-S4-1. But i wonder could it be the chips fault that the com ports not working? also how could i flash the bios?

Reply 3 of 39, by Nexxen

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Some links:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/totem-tm-486sps

Re: Jamicon KM-S4-1 / Rectron RT-4S3 Bios update
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/rectron-rt-4s3

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Reply 4 of 39, by dominusprog

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You can use AWDFLASH or Uniflash, but you have to know what exactly you're doing. You can also take the chip and give it to someone with an EEPROM programmer.

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Reply 6 of 39, by dominusprog

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RagingSquirrel wrote on 2024-03-03, 13:56:

i see.. but my question.. would it fix the com port issue? because beside that it works perfectly ..

Maybe, maybe not. But it's worth trying, also check the pins on the I/O controller for broken solder joints.

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Reply 7 of 39, by RagingSquirrel

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Well first since i already ordered it i gonna try to use the com port extention card if it works i gonna leave it as it is.. if not i gonna try to update the bios by buting back the eprom chip that the motherboard come with .. if i mess up the bios update i can just change the eprom chip bac to the one i have it in right now do i?

Reply 8 of 39, by Disruptor

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Basically 486 BIOSes must match:
1) Chipset: Northbridge
2) Chipset: Southbridge
3) Chipset: I/O chip

They also should match to the PCI IRQ routing map, if it is a PCI board.

Reply 9 of 39, by RagingSquirrel

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Disruptor wrote on 2024-03-03, 18:12:
Basically 486 BIOSes must match: 1) Chipset: Northbridge 2) Chipset: Southbridge 3) Chipset: I/O chip […]
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Basically 486 BIOSes must match:
1) Chipset: Northbridge
2) Chipset: Southbridge
3) Chipset: I/O chip

They also should match to the PCI IRQ routing map, if it is a PCI board.

well i think all the cipsets are matching only it is a different revision one is NT

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and the other one is OT

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if you check the two board now i got the second one in my rig , but with the fist ones eprom chipp and it works .. except the com ports..

Reply 10 of 39, by dominusprog

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RagingSquirrel wrote on 2024-03-03, 18:58:
well i think all the cipsets are matching only it is a different revision one is NT […]
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Disruptor wrote on 2024-03-03, 18:12:
Basically 486 BIOSes must match: 1) Chipset: Northbridge 2) Chipset: Southbridge 3) Chipset: I/O chip […]
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Basically 486 BIOSes must match:
1) Chipset: Northbridge
2) Chipset: Southbridge
3) Chipset: I/O chip

They also should match to the PCI IRQ routing map, if it is a PCI board.

well i think all the cipsets are matching only it is a different revision one is NT

423455111-1103039234380934-3130460869817721441-n.jpg

and the other one is OT

Screenshot-2024-03-03-195739.png

if you check the two board now i got the second one in my rig , but with the fist ones eprom chipp and it works .. except the com ports..

What was the problem with the second board? I'm asking because it's a better board.

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Reply 12 of 39, by RagingSquirrel

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dominusprog wrote on 2024-03-03, 19:34:
RagingSquirrel wrote on 2024-03-03, 18:58:
well i think all the cipsets are matching only it is a different revision one is NT […]
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Disruptor wrote on 2024-03-03, 18:12:
Basically 486 BIOSes must match: 1) Chipset: Northbridge 2) Chipset: Southbridge 3) Chipset: I/O chip […]
Show full quote

Basically 486 BIOSes must match:
1) Chipset: Northbridge
2) Chipset: Southbridge
3) Chipset: I/O chip

They also should match to the PCI IRQ routing map, if it is a PCI board.

well i think all the cipsets are matching only it is a different revision one is NT

423455111-1103039234380934-3130460869817721441-n.jpg

and the other one is OT

Screenshot-2024-03-03-195739.png

if you check the two board now i got the second one in my rig , but with the fist ones eprom chipp and it works .. except the com ports..

What was the problem with the second board? I'm asking because it's a better board.

I am using the second board with the first boards eprom chip.. because with the original eprom chip it did not recognised any cd rom drives and the com ports didnt worked.. now that i use the first board eprom eith the second board, only the com ports are not working.
In order to fix that problem i am buying 2 different com port extention cards one pci and one isa… i wonder if its gonna work as plug and play, or do i need drivers for it. Because i only found drivers for the pci and its only for win 7 amd above so i am mot sure if its gonna work at all.

Reply 13 of 39, by dominusprog

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Have you tried to change the IRQ?

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Reply 14 of 39, by RagingSquirrel

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dominusprog wrote on 2024-03-03, 21:49:

Have you tried to change the IRQ?

Can you help me about how can i do that? Also would that work on an integrated com port?

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Since i am not that experienced with old rigs like this i only dared to change these values.. to changing com1 and com 2 to com 3 and com 4. But it did not helped …

Reply 15 of 39, by Kouwes

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Did you check the pinout of the COM ports?
I have a 486 FIC board with the same problem. Mouse would not work on COM1. Turned out the connector has a different pinout so I’d need a different cable - since I don’t have such a cable I just bought an I/O card with only 2 COM ports and that did the trick.

Reply 16 of 39, by RagingSquirrel

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Kouwes wrote on 2024-03-04, 08:33:

Did you check the pinout of the COM ports?
I have a 486 FIC board with the same problem. Mouse would not work on COM1. Turned out the connector has a different pinout so I’d need a different cable - since I don’t have such a cable I just bought an I/O card with only 2 COM ports and that did the trick.

Unfortunately .. yes i did, also as i said i have 2 different cable, and on the Tm-486sps it used to work.. it stopped working a little bit after i burnt the cache tag chip in it.. Than i brought an Lucy star Ls-486 rev c2 where both cable and both mouses worked , but as i said that board doesnt recognised cache chips and cd rom drives.. so i brought an other board the KM-S4-1 which is recognising cd rom drives and cache chips with the Tm-486sps eprom chip and bios.. but the com port does not work eighter with its own eprom chip neighter with the Tm-486sps s eprom chip..

Reply 17 of 39, by dominusprog

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Remove all cards except for graphics, and disable the COM port two and parallel in the BIOS.

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Reply 18 of 39, by RagingSquirrel

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dominusprog wrote on 2024-03-04, 13:02:

Remove all cards except for graphics, and disable the COM port two and parallel in the BIOS.

i will try as soon i get home.. i also got this card

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and found these drivers for it

https://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php … driverid=586424

It included a dos driver as well.. but i am not sure about how to install it..

Reply 19 of 39, by the3dfxdude

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Frankly I would just wire up your internal com ports correctly. But if you insert that i/o card, you really should just turn off the com ports on the motherboard in the bios at that point. I'm not sure what your pci based com driver can support for i/o port addresses and irq so you'll want to check up on that to know if it will work for you.