Reply 21 of 56, by MiniMax
Reply 22 of 56, by v0g0ns
Reply 23 of 56, by wd
Answer the questions faithfully, or don't answer at all.
Reply 24 of 56, by Dominus
- DOSBox Moderator
Wow, intentionally putting bad sectors in a floppy as a means of copy protection. Isnt that against the law? I mean, imagine if now hard drives came with bad sectors to ensure people are not gonna copy warez into them, or if DVD recorders intentionally write bad sectors for that purpose.
How would it be against the law? And since you are the OP, you do know the history of the copy protections of games that were made for Windows 32-Bit? Most of the games then and I think most now still have the bad sector thing going on with the CD/DVD-Roms to verify that this is the original disk...
Reply 25 of 56, by MiniMax
MiniMax, what is Sweden? What it's good for?
I will answer that if you can promise me that your line questions is relevant for thread.
Reply 26 of 56, by vasyl
How would it be against the law?
That may be a joke but I think a good lawyer could actually make a case about "intentionally selling a defective product." That's what lawyers are good for 😉
Reply 27 of 56, by MiniMax
Reply 28 of 56, by wd
Thought the same, usually it's not a defect in an area that's required
(dummy file, audio where the latter is no defect due to the ec layers).
Reply 29 of 56, by vasyl
And how would it be defective?
'cause a bad sector is a defect, technically 😉
It's amusing to see how two kinds of distributions existed in late 80s/early 90s -- in one case you would get a warning that disks are copy-protected, in the other the first page of the manual would instruct you to make a backup copy a.s.a.p.
Reply 30 of 56, by MiniMax
You just don't get it, don't you?
The diskettes were a sold as a medium for DELIVERING the game to you. It was not sold to you as a GENERAL diskette that you could use any way you like. And for that PURPOSE the diskette worked PERFECTLY. And, in case the diskette didn't work, you would send it back to the publisher and you would get a replacement.
Saying that is was defective, saying that it should be illegal, is like saying that it should be illegal for a car dealer to sell the BMW MINI because it technically can not be used to transport a full-size bookshelf.
Reply 31 of 56, by ADDiCT
Oh please, no "car comparisons" - they suck, and are very inaccurate normaly (;
A discussion about the legal implications of "purposely defective media" is completely pointless, because a) we're not lawyers (at least i think we have no lawyers here), b) the legal status would be very, very different in different countries, and c) written law actually hasn't very much to do with common sense, or a subjective perspective on what's "wrong" or "right". A common saying for law experts is "law is not justice" (sounds better in german, but the meaning should be clear).
Reply 32 of 56, by MiniMax
Hold your horses. I am not yet ready to discuss whether it is illegal or not. Please don't hate me because I go about this in a logical way.
First I want to determine if the diskettes/floppies were perfectly suited for their intended purpose or not.
Yes or No?
Suited or Not?
A very simple question.
If the answer is Yes/Suited, then we can end the discussion right here and now.
Reply 33 of 56, by wd
I guess vasyl's point was about that lawyers could still manage to put this
in front of a court, why he added a smilie to his statement.
Reply 34 of 56, by v0g0ns
I would say they were not suited for their intended purpose, because if they were defective, then no good backup copies could be made out of them. And in some cases they could have problems with your floppy disk reader because of the defective sectors. So yea, i'd say it's some sort of "sabotaging" the media as a mean of copy protection.
Reply 35 of 56, by MiniMax
Defective sectors is a fact of life. Your newest SATA harddisk is full of defective sectors. That is why you format a disk so the computer can make a map out of the good and bad sectors.
I see that you are now extending the purpose beyond distributing the game. You are including the ability to make a working copy of the diskette. But if, as I claim, you could ask for replacement diskette from the publisher, then there would be no need for you to make a backup.
Agreed, such a promise is not worth half a penny these days, if the publisher has gone under and disappeared 🙁
Reply 36 of 56, by v0g0ns
Exactly why is important to make a backup copy for personal use. And yes, SATA drives have defective sectors (although i havent run into any yet), but they were not intentionally placed there, unlike the defective sectors in the floppy disks, as a mean of copy protection.
Reply 37 of 56, by wd
although i havent run into any yet
You surely have. Current drives are full of defective sectors, the drive's logic
tries to sense this and moves bad sectors out of the way (most of the time it
works fine that way).
Reply 38 of 56, by DosFreak