They are still a part of the EU. They voted to exit, but this procedure will take some time.

The havoc that is going on in the markets is well deserved and it serves investors right as most are very timid to the extreme. As for voting to leave the EU is a great leap in the right direction towards being a free nation free from that bureaucratic nightmare, thousands of regulations for this and thousands more for that. So many regulations it is absurd, in printed form they take up huge bins!

Two years unless the deadline gets extended, I hope that more fallow so that the clock gets turned back on tyranny and hopefully a better economy down the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8

Eventually the baby boomers will pass away, NI/SC will split from the UK and join the EU and eventually EN will rejoin. The EU will integrate further to become a federation and USE.

From my perspective, I'm glad the UK had the brass balls to vote to leave the EU, as I was starting to see the signs of a superstate and the possibility that the EU would usurp power and remove autonomy from member states. That should frighten people, but I guess wanting freedom is too inconvenient for folks.

Reading about Brexit on reddit gives me cancer. The coverage is super one sided and the Remainers are extremely salty over this.

Perhaps some of our UK VOGONS members can chime in, like HighTreason? I believe he's based out of Hull, UK, which was a county that did vote to leave.

mattrock1988 wrote:

Reading about Brexit on reddit gives me cancer. The coverage is super one sided and the Remainers are extremely salty over this.

I think they have a right to be salty, the outcome was so close (52% to 48% last I checked) that it's more like mob rule than democracy, and the real tangible outcomes are likely going to be more hard-hitting to the demographics that voted to remain, than to the (apparently) high % of leave voters who are retirees.

I live on the other side of the planet, so the effects remain to be seen. If resource companies like Rio Tinto are impacted by fallout in the financial world, then jobs here are likely to suffer.

SquallStrife wrote:

mattrock1988 wrote:

Reading about Brexit on reddit gives me cancer. The coverage is super one sided and the Remainers are extremely salty over this.

I think they have a right to be salty, the outcome was so close (52% to 48% last I checked) that it's more like mob rule than democracy, and the real tangible outcomes are likely going to be more hard-hitting to the demographics that voted to remain, than to the (apparently) high % of leave voters who are retirees.

I live on the other side of the planet, so the effects remain to be seen. If resource companies like Rio Tinto are impacted by fallout in the financial world, then jobs here are likely to suffer.

Not putting words in your mouth, but I get the impression that we should just throw the baby out with the bathwater and screw democracy, because people chose wrongly. *shrugs*

I guarantee you, your statement wouldn't even be uttered if Remain won by even 0.5%. It's only mob rule if the wrong side wins. This is a risk with democracy. Sometimes it goes your way, and sometimes it doesn't.

Mob rule my ass. Both sides played dirty here, but the majority have spoken.

I am a strong proponent of a US/EU/CA/AU/NZ union. That would truly make life great for European civilization. 😈

PeterLI wrote:

I am a strong proponent of a US/EU/CA/AU/NZ union. That would truly make life great for European civilization. 😈

That sounds frightening.

If Britain leaves the single market it will make buying/selling computer stuff across Europe more difficult. OTOH, Norway and Switzerland aren't in the EU but are still members of the market, so the two aren't necessarily connected.

It's beginning to look like the end of the UK...

mattrock1988 wrote:

Not putting words in your mouth, but I get the impression that we should just throw the baby out with the bathwater and screw democracy, because people chose wrongly. *shrugs*

Sometimes, yeah, I think democracy is a shitty idea in the face of how uneducated and popularity-contest-focussed the electors have become.

I think that following any concept as an absolute is dangerous. Just because a concept is ideologically sound, doesn't mean the outcomes are better.

In this case, I think a margin of <10% should have at least prompted a second poll following some further public consultation, particularly when it's a YES/NO question, and the fallout is likely to be so immense.

mattrock1988 wrote:

I guarantee you, your statement wouldn't even be uttered if Remain won by even 0.5%. It's only mob rule if the wrong side wins. This is a risk with democracy. Sometimes it goes your way, and sometimes it doesn't.

I will repeat for your benefit that I don't live there, I have no immediate stake in the outcome. I've only followed it as a curiosity. I would probably be commenting on the "leave" people's saltiness if the outcome was reversed.

mattrock1988 wrote:

Mob rule my ass. Both sides played dirty here, but the majority have spoken.

When one half of a population gets to dictate how the other half live, yeah, that's mob rule.

It's why first-past-the-post voting for parliament/congress elections is such a shitty idea.

So out of curiosity, what system would you prefer?

At any rate... the results would have been far different if the youth vote actually showed up to the voting booths in greater numbers, which is what seems to be a reason why Brexit ended up winning. Some regions had only 70% turnout, with most of the percentage of no-vote no-show types being in a younger demographic, probably because they feel the political process is lame.

I am glad they finally made it. People just got tired of all the bull crap. And no, it's actually the beginning of good old days for Britain. They will do much better, but it will take some time. More countries will follow.

I'm a firm believer that once you elected your leaders they should do that and not ask (waste time) again and again whether their direction is correct.
As seen in this case the level of misinformation was immense and deliberate. And referendum like these seem to me not actually being yes or no but "do you like the current leader?". That the google top UK trends a day after the vote are "what is the EU?" and "what happens if the UK leaves the EU" is a testament to this IMO. People that were saying "I vote Brexit, but don't worry we will remain!" or "I regret my Brexit vote now!" another.

Throwing away an investment of over four decades is crazy IMO.

But oh well, ordering online from the UK now. All UK shops have a big involuntary sale now for non-UK people!

I keep reading people getting cheap UK stuff due to the GBP/EUR deal but I have yet to find these deals... how do you people pay? PayPal does not offer a great exchange rate, what do I miss?

As for the matter at hand, I believe UK will have a little turbulence at first but they will fully recover , we are not talking about a joke country...

I assume it will become like buying from the U.S. - Europeans who buy computer hardware from the U.S. must pay (I think) 20-30% of the price in import duties. (I don't know if this includes the postal price.)

for one it seems a good symbolic move from people wanting a change of direction, even if the whole thing is abandoned before something happens;
then again i expect this will throw the region i live in back into the stone age again, especially since people here are such wanna-be-rightist jerks;

Now you brits are going to experience customs hell when ordering anything from the EU (and anywhere else abroad). Just like us Norwegians.